bike2steam Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Others may want 4709 in order to put in a display case. Mmm, I wonder if the full-size example will receive one of the names that was originally set aside for the class ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Mmm, I wonder if the full-size example will receive one of the names that was originally set aside for the class ?? I wasn't aware of this. Is there a reference to what they were going to be called? Thanks Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I didn't know 'till a few months ago when looking thro' the RCTS book on the 9F's, page 206, chapter 10, 'Names, and Nicknames'. It transpires that the WR was rumoured to be considering naming it's first 7 9F's - using the names that were going to be applied to the 47xx class, originally broad gauge names, but were turned down because it was a break with the GW tradition of only naming ( express ??) passenger locos, the 47xx being 2-8-0 mixed traffic locos means they didn't come into the right category. Names to be used, were to come from, included;- Behemoth, Bellerophon, Champion, Dreadnought, Gladiator,Hercules, Mammoth, Plutarch, Romulus, Tantalus, Thunderer, Trafalgar. Edited December 3, 2015 by bike2steam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Mmm, I wonder if the full-size example will receive one of the names that was originally set aside for the class ?? I hope not, they never actually carried names in service, so myself would like the replica to be as authentic as possible. Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I hope not, they never actually carried names in service, so myself would like the replica to be as authentic as possible. Keith. I agree, but if someone comes along with a cheque for about 20 or 30 grand to help the new-build, and says they want a name - then what ? But 'Hercules' can't be used, as 4277 has got that ( along with 5239 'Goliath'). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I agree, but if someone comes along with a cheque for about 20 or 30 grand to help the new-build, and says they want a name - then what ? But 'Hercules' can't be used, as 4277 has got that ( along with 5239 'Goliath'). That's a tough one for the trustees to balance competing interests however I would hope they can find a compromise that allows a substantial donation to be made whilst satisfying others, probably also donors in aggregate more than the sum pledged, such as a name plate is only worn at certain times. Personally, I'm more relaxed about naming new builds that never existed than naming locos that didn't carry names in service. For a prominent new build, particularly one that will have mainline operation aspirations, I'd have thought a strong name is part of the brand. I did like the way the GWS organised the poll for 2999. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Received the email below from Hattons this morning £154 + £4 carriage. 15 months to save £10 per month. Sorted. Good morning, We have received notification from Heljan annoucing specific running number & livery details for the GWR Class 47xx 2-8-0 'Night Owl' as below: 4780 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4704 in GWR green with monogram http://www.ehattons.com/171984/Heljan_4780_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4704_in_GWR_green_with_monogram/StockDetail.aspx 4781 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4705 in Great Western green http://www.ehattons.com/171985/Heljan_4781_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4705_in_Great_Western_green/StockDetail.aspx 4782 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4707 in GWR green with GW lettering http://www.ehattons.com/171986/Heljan_4782_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4707_in_GWR_green_with_GW_lettering/StockDetail.aspx 4783 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4707 in BR Black with early emblem http://www.ehattons.com/171987/Heljan_4783_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4707_in_BR_Black_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx 4784 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4705 in BR lined Green with late crest http://www.ehattons.com/171988/Heljan_4784_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4705_in_BR_lined_Green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx 4785 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4709 in BR lined Green with late crest (as preserved/under construction at Didcot Railway Centre) http://www.ehattons.com/171989/Heljan_4785_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4709_in_BR_lined_Green_with_late_crest_as_preserved_/StockDetail.aspx You have received this email as you have previously registered an interest in this product with us via our placeholder product. To register for further email notifications & place pre-orders, please follow the above links to your chosen locomotive. You may also be interested in Heljan's GWR Class 1361 and 1366 locomotives which have also had specific details announced. You can view these items at http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/SiteResults.aspx?searchfield=Heljan%200-6-0 If you have any further queries regarding the above please don't hesitate to get in touch. Regards --------------------------------------------------- Hattons Model Railways http://www.ehattons.com 0151 733 3655 Telephone lines manned Monday - Friday 7am - 8:30pm Saturday 7am - 6pm Sun 9am-5pm Shop open Monday - Saturday 9am - 5pm Sun 10am-4pm --------------------------------------------------- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I agree, but if someone comes along with a cheque for about 20 or 30 grand to help the new-build, and says they want a name - then what ? .... It would certainly be interesting if, say, Everest Double Glazing, or Nike, or the Post Office were to pour some money into the project and insist on naming rights..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2016 Still at least a year away, I see. J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted January 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ordered! and cheaper than discussed a while back on here. So the £220 I stashed with Mr ERNIE will now also cover the 4 Collett coaches due from Margate this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 All these wonderful GWR liveries and limited funds... I certainly feel as if my glory is a vice grip at the moment...!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Still they are more reasonably priced then expected, even the tank locos which were looking at £160 a piece a few weeks look better priced. Mind you Hattons still make the warning on the pre order price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2016 Mind you Hattons still make the warning on the pre order price. I don't blame them. By the time they are expected, Hornby are likely to have released stuff that we don't even know they are making yet. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 4780 - Class 47xx 2-8-0 4704 in GWR green with monogram http://www.ehattons.com/171984/Heljan_4780_Class_47xx_2_8_0_4704_in_GWR_green_with_monogram/StockDetail.aspx Note that 4780 is now described as Class 47xx 2-8-0 4704 in GWR green with garter crest. A much better choice of livery, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Note that 4780 is now described as Class 47xx 2-8-0 4704 in GWR green with garter crest. A much better choice of livery, in my opinion. But is that correct? I thought that only 4700 wore the Garter Crest for the Stockton and Darlington centenary in 1925. When new, it and the other members of the class had plain "Great Western" on the tender as shown below. I am pretty sure this lasted until the introduction of the Shirtbutton monogram. If anyone has information to the contrary I am willing to be corrected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2016 4700 definitely had the garter crest at the Stockton & Darlington centenary parade and it is clearly visible in a film of the event in the John Huntley archive. But of course it also had the original (small) tender so are Heljan doing two types of tender or are they simply still making up their minds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) All these wonderful GWR liveries and limited funds... I certainly feel as if my glory is a vice grip at the moment...!!I wouldn't let go of my wallet just yet.At least not until Heljan prove themselves capable of producing one that runs reliably. Look on the current O2 thread to see what I mean.Edit: I see you already have. Edited January 21, 2016 by Ian Hargrave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 But is that correct? I thought that only 4700 wore the Garter Crest for the Stockton and Darlington centenary in 1925. When new, it and the other members of the class had plain "Great Western" on the tender as shown below. I am pretty sure this lasted until the introduction of the Shirtbutton monogram. If anyone has information to the contrary I am willing to be corrected. Thanks Karhedron I cannot find any clear image that has a 47xx with Garter Crest save for 4700 in 1925 with full lining as already noted. The image included above is of 4700 with its original 1919 No1 Boiler; prior to the No7 Boiler being available in 1921 for 4700 and 1922 for the rest of the class as built. You can easily tell by the absence of outside steam pipes, and the height of the chimney. The larger boiler gave them a much more formidable appearance. Also note stationmasters point that the class were fitted with 4000 gallon tenders from 1929. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Oooo, ooooo how about this one .... One of Hornby's finest! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I agree, but if someone comes along with a cheque for about 20 or 30 grand to help the new-build, and says they want a name - then what ? Any takers for 'Biggus Dikkus'.......... Edited January 22, 2016 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Sorry, I think that name's been taken. http://uktrainlog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/73128-class-73-gbrf-ovs-bulleid-cbe.html (Gone to find a hole to hide in.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Counties... Yes please! A decent County... Kernow, Heljan, anyone listening? (Sorry OT ) Agree county of kernow 3824 please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 17, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2016 Still no news from Heljan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I believe samples are awaited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 17, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2016 Looking forward to seeing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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