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And all was I was trying to do was explain the lamp bracket types and locations on the steam railmotor and matching trailer car.  No one other than my entries has tried to support or deny the lamp brackets as fitted to the GWS rail motor and trailer.   Photographic evidence support autotrains with class G lamps, an example here:

 

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I am happy to be corrected but would be best if positive evidence was available to support any contrary theories.  The more I learn about GWR and BR(W) practice the better, the latter being a direct continuation of the former.  I will find more photographs to support my contention if necessary.  I do not believe that practice changed post nationalisation and more photographs were taken.  GWR practice was so ingrained that it continued into the 1960's and beyond to my certain experience.

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he working timetable, London division 1960 says there was a unique headcode for freight on the branch of one lamp in centre of buffer beam for the Princes Risborough to Aylesbury branch and photographic evidence seems to back this up, and seemed to be applied  to passenger trains as well including autotrains, I know this after steam railmotors had gone, but it maybe a hangover from previous practice.

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31 minutes ago, MG 7305 said:

Try this one, exhaust and steam from the safety valve going to the rear of the train:

 

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Do you know which way the wind was blowing at the time?   Apart from which it is pretty obvious taht the train concerned is involved in a shunting move or is only about to move (drain cocks open) rather than anything else

 

Now let's get this nonsense about Class G/Class 9  out iof the way once and for all.  i have given you the official Instructions for auto train lamps as they stood from 1936 until such trains ceased to run the only change after 1950 being that from alphabetical to numerical train classification in 1960.     If that isn't 'evidence' enough for you I don't really know what else is?

 

You will find plenty of pictures on the 'net and in published sources, especially from BR days, of tail lamps (in particular) on auto engines not being in the correct position and no doubt the same happened with headlamps because it was the official practice of course when the engine lamp was not lighted to leave the lamp on the  same lamp iron and laxity suggests that probably happened even if it was the wrong lamp iron.  In addition local variations of Class B and/or branchline headlamps were not unlknown such as that quoted above by David (which also applied on the Watlington branch).

 

If you want to carry on digging out pictures of lamps in incorrect positions carry on - as i've said you will find plenty but all they do is confirm that incorrect lamping was not necessarily an isolated thing because the official position was 100% clear.

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2 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

For those who don't like facts or for those who aren't interested in correct  inforrmation?

 

@MG 7305 I think you will find that Mike @The Stationmasteris one of a few fonts of all knowledge* as far as the former GWR is concerned.

If Mike doesn't know, it's not worth knowing :-)

 

Hopefully the Railmotors will arrive soon and we wont need to worry about where the lamp brackets are.

 

Have a good weekend.

 

*Clearly there are other specialist GWR guys on here, but Mike is our first and foremost :-)

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I have been waiting for this one a long time but have a couple of questions. First, will it run better and quieter than the Kernow GWR 0-6-0 made for them by DJM? Mine is still a gear grinder after a year of operations, never did run in and quiet down. Second, does the 21 pin DCC interface have provisions for connecting a speaker (such as an 11x15mm sugar cube) and is there a space for a speaker designed into the model? 

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15 minutes ago, Cofga said:

I have been waiting for this one a long time but have a couple of questions. First, will it run better and quieter than the Kernow GWR 0-6-0 made for them by DJM? Mine is still a gear grinder after a year of operations, never did run in and quiet down. Second, does the 21 pin DCC interface have provisions for connecting a speaker (such as an 11x15mm sugar cube) and is there a space for a speaker designed into the model? 

Well for starters DJM have ceased to exist and got kicked off the project very early on  so no worries on that front.

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12 hours ago, Cofga said:

I have been waiting for this one a long time but have a couple of questions. First, will it run better and quieter than the Kernow GWR 0-6-0 made for them by DJM? Mine is still a gear grinder after a year of operations, never did run in and quiet down. Second, does the 21 pin DCC interface have provisions for connecting a speaker (such as an 11x15mm sugar cube) and is there a space for a speaker designed into the model? 

 

It is a completely different design to the the GWR 1361 0-6-0 and not a valid comparison, if you were not happy with your 1361 it should have been returned at the time, mine (yes even I do have one) is a quiet runner .

The Steam Railmotor EPs that are due with us this week will be fully tested to ensure their  performance meets the standards we require.

 

As can be seen from the image of the floor component (that was shewn earlier in the thread) provision for a 28mm speaker is included between the two partitions within the engine compartment.

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@Graham_Muz  Kernow probably should have locked this thread and started a new one when the model started progressing, it's still the one started by DJM so I can understand why some people who are maybe not so close to the UK scene may see that and make conclusions about who is involved in building this model.

 

@AY Mod Is there anything you can do to alter this so that the DJM name gets purged from this thread as he's got nothing to do with it.

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7 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Is there anything you can do to alter this so that the DJM name gets purged from this thread as he's got nothing to do with it.

 

Sadly not. It may be wise to start a fresh one and I can close this off.

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I think we can keep with this topic to be honest. 

Having to remind people occasionally that the project is being managed in-house is too much of an issue and keeps all the discussion in one place. 

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Simples really - as Muz has said surely an occasional reminder is handier thatn locking the whole lot.  The only involvement DJM would ever appear to have had with the project was a very early mention - there has never been any sign of them actually doing any work at all towards it.  Kernow placed the project elsewhere as they did with everything else that DJM said they were working on for Kernow and the reasons for that change need not concern us here because the railmotor is 100% nothing to do with DJM.

 

BTW my BR black 1361 runs like a sewing machine - beautifully quiet and silky smooth.

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Thanks, good to see that is what that slot is for, looks similar to the motor hole in front of it.

 

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15 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Simples really - as Muz has said surely an occasional reminder is handier thatn locking the whole lot.  The only involvement DJM would ever appear to have had with the project was a very early mention - there has never been any sign of them actually doing any work at all towards it.  Kernow placed the project elsewhere as they did with everything else that DJM said they were working on for Kernow and the reasons for that change need not concern us here because the railmotor is 100% nothing to do with DJM.

 

That is good to hear. I knew they were out of business and hoped that they did not influence the design of this mechanism.

 

BTW my BR black 1361 runs like a sewing machine - beautifully quiet and silky smooth.

 

I wish I could say that. If I run mine real slow and keep the chuff volume of the decoder high enough it isn’t too annoying. What is annoying is that when I ordered it I requested that Kernow give it a test run to make sure it was not a grinder but it does not appear they did that. 

 

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Re. The plastic/metal buffers.  At first I thought "surely not". However, I backtracked a few pages to the photo of the test impression, and there were the buffers.  I would be inclined to agree with the choice of plastic.  Having an offset buffer shank naturally puts  the buffers (s)  on to the corners, as per the real thing.  If a model such as this gets damaged (Heaven forbid ) I'd guess that it'll be easier to replace, than perhaps a larger chunk of plastic where a metal buffer has taken a knock.

 

No doubt Kernow are being pragmatic.  I just need to convince myself that the Western had steam railmotors on a purely Taff Vale branch line. That's the problem.....

 

Nice; I like it.  

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11 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

 

No doubt Kernow are being pragmatic.  I just need to convince myself that the Western had steam railmotors on a purely Taff Vale branch line. That's the problem.....

 

 I’ve got the ANDR (just across the valley from the Taff Vale) borrowing one as theirs is having a prolonged overhaul.

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5 minutes ago, Graham_Muz said:

#howdidthatgethere 

 

I'm going to take an educated guess and considering how wide the street is a lorry couldn't drop it off so I reckon you put it there !

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14 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

Re. The plastic/metal buffers.  At first I thought "surely not". However, I backtracked a few pages to the photo of the test impression, and there were the buffers.  I would be inclined to agree with the choice of plastic.  Having an offset buffer shank naturally puts  the buffers (s)  on to the corners, as per the real thing.  If a model such as this gets damaged (Heaven forbid ) I'd guess that it'll be easier to replace, than perhaps a larger chunk of plastic where a metal buffer has taken a knock.

 

No doubt Kernow are being pragmatic.  I just need to convince myself that the Western had steam railmotors on a purely Taff Vale branch line. That's the problem.....

 

Nice; I like it.  

You think you've got problems....One was loaned to the Highland during the Great War - how do I justify it staying for some decades .....

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1 hour ago, Ben Alder said:

You think you've got problems....One was loaned to the Highland during the Great War - how do I justify it staying for some decades .....

Scotland (particularly remote coastal stations) is a long way from Swindon and letters get lost in the post.

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