richard i Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 That is good to know. Thank you. I have a photo (Tatlow book!) and a drawing with dimensions for the Mac K. It had struck me that the Dapol Lowmac was perhaps close enough to form the basis of a conversion, but I had not acquired the kit and checked against the drawing. And that's where you tell us it is way off in every dimension. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Oh ye of little faith. Have a read about D & S Mac K vs Airfix Lowmac kit: http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6399&p=83486&hilit=mac+k+airfix+lowmac#p83486 The direct comparison pictures that should be on the next page fell victim to Imageshack's change of policy from promised free image hosting to "pay up or else"..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The idea of another cheap wagon has got me tempted now! Here's a drawing I've found. Are there any photos in GER livery online? http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/instruction_sheets/pdf2-591.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 The idea of another cheap wagon has got me tempted now! Here's a drawing I've found. Are there any photos in GER livery online? http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/instruction_sheets/pdf2-591.pdf In the tatlow book, but it is so dirty you can barely make out the company insignia. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The idea of another cheap wagon has got me tempted now! Here's a drawing I've found. Are there any photos in GER livery online? http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/instruction_sheets/pdf2-591.pdf And here is a model built from one of these kits. The pantechnicon is from Shire Scenes and is in a totally fictitious livery. Jim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 And here is a model built from one of these kits. The pantechnicon is from Shire Scenes and is in a totally fictitious livery. Pantecnican.jpg Jim Thanks Jim. As it would be a visitor to the West Country I don't have the Tatlow book, which is why I was hoping for a photo online, but that livery looks quite straightforward. Is that how it would have looked in 1905? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Thanks Jim. As it would be a visitor to the West Country I don't have the Tatlow book, which is why I was hoping for a photo online, but that livery looks quite straightforward. Is that how it would have looked in 1905? I would assume so. I can't now recall where I got the livery details. My period spans 1885-1915, but I'm quite comfortable with temporal anomalies (of which I have several)! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 The wagon progress is slow. Up to transfers, one lomac in GCR ex LDEC stock as they were close enough for the 3foot rule the other will be in GER lettering. The Cambrian wagon needs lettering and covering in a tarp. Hand painting has been suggested as is it worth getting transfers for one wagon? The road van, might just stay in WD livery to avoid offending the purists. But that will wait until I have those transfers from wd models. Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Had a go at at hand painting the lettering on the Cambrian wagon. Tried to use a bowpen for the first time. First side Then second side I think it improved, but clearly a lot more practice is needed to make a really presentable job, I most likely will cover most of this with a tarpaulin to hide the worst of these sins. Advice on improved ways of doing this? Richard 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 More progress on the free style lettering. The letters have been cleaned up, the pencil marks rubbed out and a little embellishment to the three feathers in the middle. Not sure how much the would have got in real life but I can not find a photo of a Cambrian wagon in Cambrian livery on the net which is not a model. I don't think I will give up the day job just yet but it has certainly given me food for thought on how to get the one off companies' liveries in my collection . Richard 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Had a go at at hand painting the lettering on the Cambrian wagon. Tried to use a bowpen for the first time. ............ Advice on improved ways of doing this? Have you tried using a fine brush, preferably sable, 000 size, painting with acrylics? Keep the brush moist, but not wet, only have a little paint on the tip of the brush and clean it regularly in water, blotting the brush after each time. Don't try and do any more than a small part of a letter at a time. That's what I use. Results in my 'Caledonian Wagons' thread. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 Does this get us any further on the secr road vans in GCR service? Very kindly had a reply Strangely had to do it as a photo as rmweb would not let me paste in from an email. Does anyone have the book, can we go anywhere from here? Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted August 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2016 http://www.hmrs.org.uk/stewards/index.phpallows you to select LNER and you can then send an email to the GCR steward. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 http://www.hmrs.org.uk/stewards/index.php allows you to select LNER and you can then send an email to the GCR steward. E mail sent, we await a reply to see if that avenue can take us any further in the debate.Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Advice, for the metal sided 30ton coal wagon, internally did it have a wooden floor or all metal construction? It looks very grey at the moment it feels it needs colour, if it is all metal then some judicious weathering may be needed. Ideas? Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Advice, for the metal sided 30ton coal wagon, internally did it have a wooden floor or all metal construction? FWIW, the CR ones had metal floors. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted August 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2016 ..................... Strangely had to do it as a photo as rmweb would not let me paste in from an email. Richard I have the same problem Richard and it seems to be a "feature" (= bug for a user) of this site. The solution is to click on the "BBC Mode" button - top left above the Bold button. Paste then works. Then click on the BBC button again (not sure this is necessary) and continue. A real PITA = feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2016 Advice, for the metal sided 30ton coal wagon, internally did it have a wooden floor or all metal construction? It looks very grey at the moment it feels it needs colour, if it is all metal then some judicious weathering may be needed. Ideas? Richard Hi Richard The b'day wagon looks good. As for the box on bogies, how about running it loaded. Then there is no need to worry about what the floor looks like and it will stop the sides from bowing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2016 Had a go at at hand painting the lettering on the Cambrian wagon. Tried to use a bowpen for the first time. First side image.jpg Then second side image.jpg I think it improved, but clearly a lot more practice is needed to make a really presentable job, I most likely will cover most of this with a tarpaulin to hide the worst of these sins. Advice on improved ways of doing this? Richard Hi Richard Go gently doing a little each time. Lurking in the background of some of the photos of Hanging Hill is a ex PO wagon that I hand lettered. When it was done I then painted on the replacement planks etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 Hi Richard The b'day wagon looks good. As for the box on bogies, how about running it loaded. Then there is no need to worry about what the floor looks like and it will stop the sides from bowing. I had thought about loading it up, but I have more loaded coals than unloaded. The other issue which would sway it towards being loaded is that I have not modeled the insides of the doors so it would be that which would push me towards loading it up.By the way, You cheeky beggar, The sides are not bowed, that is the camera doing a fish bowl on the wagon. And we'll you would know this to be the case. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 6, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2016 I had thought about loading it up, but I have more loaded coals than unloaded. The other issue which would sway it towards being loaded is that I have not modeled the insides of the doors so it would be that which would push me towards loading it up. By the way, You cheeky beggar, The sides are not bowed, that is the camera doing a fish bowl on the wagon. And we'll you would know this to be the case. Richard Hi Richard With my limited experience of making things in plastic card they can some times bow. It may be the day after you build it, or a week or a month or many many years down the line. And when it does you would have forgotten about calling me "a cheeky begger". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Advice, for the metal sided 30ton coal wagon, internally did it have a wooden floor or all metal construction? They had wooden floors. The diagram show a separate floor line above the bottom of the side. The overall height is given as 8'0", depth over floor 4'2" and rail to top of floor 3'10" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 Hi Richard With my limited experience of making things in plastic card they can some times bow. It may be the day after you build it, or a week or a month or many many years down the line. And when it does you would have forgotten about calling me "a cheeky begger". Like an elephant I won't forget and you will have my humble apologies when it does. I only forget things like my wife's birthday and my children in supermarkets. If it does bow I could put a strengthener in disguised as a man holding the sides apart. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 I have found a solution to replicating straw as packing for wagon loads. My old shaving brush. No longer will I need to ask blonde maidens for a lock of their hair. The results will be seen as a load in the 2 plank wagon which is still in the system. Richard 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 A useful defence in court, I reckon... It is definitely creepy unless your back story is very convincing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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