Caledonian Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Interesting lettering on the Lilleshall Co integral wagons. It seems to be L Co at one end but I can't see clearly what the word is at the other end. Anybody else got a guess? I'd say it looks like WORKS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wajxw10 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 re the wagons built by The Midland Wagon Co for the Lileshall Co from 1915, these would have been built at the Waswood Heath site (later to become Metropolita Cammel) as the Midland Wagon Co site at Shrewsbury closed down in 1912 with production being moved to the Washwood Heath site. I am attaching a poor quality photo of the Priorslee works showing another Lilleshall wagon. img308 (2).jpg The wagon to the left of the Lilleshall branded one is a GWR one and given that this is in an earlier lettering style someone may be able to give an approx date. I mentioned that the Lilleshall Co supplied loco coal to a number of main line companies and here an LMS loco Coal wagon can be seen on the Lilleshalls system. [attachment=801239:W 123. Lilleshal company wagon and LMS Loco coal wagon. (3). I am now attaching a "mystry" photograph which shows a section of the Lillishall Co system but I dont know where! The photo was taken by Arthur Dodd (A.J.B Dodd) who took lots of photos of the area and is now sadly deceased. The photo was sent to me by his son (Mike Dodd) hoping I might be able to place it, but no! the signal in the far distance is similar to another photo i have (which I need to scan in ) but that does not have a location either! Possible Lillishall trackwork.jpg hi the mystry photo is the lilleshall company level crossing on the A5 under what is now aldi and wikes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wajxw10 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Arthur, Thanks again for the info posted. Am I correct in thinking that the row of small chimmneys in the foreground are coking ovens? David yes they were the coking plant they also had a plant doing coal distillation on the site making tar and benzene ect the leftover coke then went for the furnaces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) As I have not posted on this thread for some time I thought it was about time I remidied that! Not only did the Lilleshall Co build locomotives for itself, it al;so built locomotives for sale, not in large numbers but enough. They seem to have beem well built as 3 locos provided to Rawnsley and Cannock Wood collieries lasted untill the early 1960s. Marquis was built in 1867 and was delivered new to Cannock and Rugeley Collieries, Rawnsley. It moved to Grove Colliery Little Wyrley before being withdrawn in April 1963 and was cut up on site in May 1964. A second loco delivered was Anglesey built in 1868 and again delivered to Cannock and Rugeley Collierys, Rawnsleyt. Scrapped at Cannock Wood Colliery in March 1962.k Note the different wheels and the different cab height. A third loco Rawnsley was built in 1973 and again delivered to Cannock and Rugeley Colliery and was scrapped at Cannock Wood Colliery in March 1962. It is a shame that these locomotives were not able to hang on for a few more years for potential preservation. David Edited July 15, 2017 by Norton961 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Thanks. Quite amazing they lasted so long. A few rebuilds along the way I guess, but even so an impressive record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Nice studies of 4 (CONSTANCE), 5 and 9 here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INDUSTRIAL-loco-CONSTANCE-says-LILL-4-on-back-Proper-R-P-P-C-glossy-photo-/142446209019?hash=item212a74a7fb:g:k2sAAOSwYS9Zadfl http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INDUSTRIAL-loco-No-9-for-LILL-Proper-R-P-P-C-glossy-photo-/142446260055?hash=item212a756f57:g:mfwAAOSwRvdZaeGA http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INDUSTRIAL-loco-says-LILL-5-on-back-Proper-R-P-P-C-glossy-photo-/142446209620?hash=item212a74aa54:g:K4QAAOSwWF1ZadhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 thanks Osgood,a fabulous collection of various industrials to go through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Osgood , thanks for finding those photos, I have put in bids for all of them! Obvious typo in my posting about Rawnsley, should be 1873 not 1973! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 As I have not posted on this thread for some time I thought it was about time I remidied that! Not only did the Lilleshall Co build locomotives for itself, it al;so built locomotives for sale, not in large numbers but enough. They seem to have beem well built as 3 locos provided to Rawnsley and Cannock Wood collieries lasted untill the early 1960s. Lilleshall built in 1868 Marquis at Rawnsley Col..jpg Marquis was built in 1867 and was delivered new to Cannock and Rugeley Collieries, Rawnsley. It moved to Grove Colliery Little Wyrley before being withdrawn in April 1963 and was cut up on site in May 1964. A second loco delivered was Anglesey built in 1868 and again delivered to Cannock and Rugeley Collierys, Rawnsleyt. Scrapped at Cannock Wood Colliery in March 1962.k Rawnsley Colliary in NB days with Lilleshall built loco. 6-3-1960.jpg Note the different wheels and the different cab height. David Those are some interestingly proportioned cabs - not sure you would actually be able to look out of those windows. Any reasons for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guius Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 thanks Osgood,a fabulous collection of various industrials to go through Certainly would be a treat to spend a rainy afternoon sifting through that box of photos. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Wallgate OO Gauge Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 What a gem of a topic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaman Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Here is a recently scanned view of Lilleshall Peckett No 10 working in the area of Priorslee furnaces, taken by A.J.B.Dodd sometime in the mid 1950's. This was a very thin Neg, hence the darkness of the picture, but 1/2 an hour in Photoshop has provided us with this image. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 ... not sure you would actually be able to look out of those windows. Any reasons for this? They were as much to let light in as to be able to look out of. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Thought I would post some more photos of Lilleshall built locos. The first one is Lilleshall No 9 built by George Stevenson and Co. It was bought by the Lilleshall Co in 1904 and lasted until 1929 before being disposed of. There is uncertainty as to when and where it was scrapped. The second loco is Lilleshall No 7 built by the company in 1870 and withdrawn in 1948 and was likely scrapped in July 1949. There is a possibility that it was transferred to the NCB when Granville Coll became part of the NCB but was never used by the NCB. Edited August 9, 2017 by Norton961 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 In case anyone is interested - a nice colour slide of MARQUIS here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35mm-Slide-Industrial-Steam-Loco-NCB-Cannock-Rugeley-Colliery-1-Marquis-1960/372039864312?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D9ac39460c1cc426d9bdb6ed946859311%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D372039864312&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac35651ec-8907-11e7-85a7-74dbd180d40c%257Cparentrq%253A15dab85e15e0a86bc8fba643fffc0b98%257Ciid%253A1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) This popped up on Flickr recently: 2-2-2 steam locomotive (Lilleshall Locomotive Company, Shropshire 1862) by Historical Railway Images, on Flickr Edited to embed photo Edited August 27, 2017 by sparks 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) Thanks. Interesting notes below the flickr image on this loco, and worth following the attached link to the Chasewater Wordpress page: https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/ncb-west-midlands-division-area-2-locomotives/cannock-rugeley-colliery-co-locomotives/ The flickr notes suggest it is the loco built for the 1862 International Exhibition in London, whereas the Chasewater page describes an engine built for the 1867 Paris Exhibition - unless they are one and the same (mind you 5 years is a long time in the then rapidly developing steam locomotive era). Edited August 25, 2017 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 My understanding is that the loco was built on spec to try and break into a different market for locomotives, but no orders followed. Perhaps the loco was touted round any exhibition to try and drum up orders wherever they thought they might be avaliable. After a few years with no sales the loco was broken up and parts used in the construction of an 0-6-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) From an advertisement dated 1867 And a view of the rear of the same loco, showing the cab interior to good effect Edited August 25, 2017 by Killian keane 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 This is the best views of a Lilishall Co builders plate that I have, I must get Lonley Planet to do an etched version. This one is No 2. This one is No 4 David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 With the announcement of the Hattons Barcley, this is the loco I want a model of, the loco was bought new in 1948 and went to Granville Colliery and remained there until it was scrapped in 1967. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 Another photo of one of the Lilleshall built locos that were still in use by the NCB in the early 1960 at Rawnsley. The loco was built in 1868 and the photo taken in 1960. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2017 With the announcement of the Hattons Barcley, this is the loco I want a model of, the loco was bought new in 1948 and went to Granville Colliery and remained there until it was scrapped in 1967. A 16'' I presume given the stocky appearance and the dumpy chimney. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 A 16'' I presume given the stocky appearance and the dumpy chimney. Andy I think the best way to tell a 16-inch Barclay from the 14-inch are the long triangular brackets that run from the top of the bufferbeam to the front of the smokebox, as on this loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think the best way to tell a 16-inch Barclay from the 14-inch are the long triangular brackets that run from the top of the bufferbeam to the front of the smokebox, as on this loco. They're not brackets, they are part of the frames shaped to allow for the bigger cylinder castings and higher pitched boiler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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