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Nice build.  Colour looks pretty good to me Kieran.  Leslie's sample colour in his publicity shot was indeed too bright, but your's looks spot on.  They are pretty impressive for resin which obviously restricts them from C-Rail levels of finish and detail.

 

Yours look much better all round.

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One of the things I dislike about resin is the amount of fettling and preparation needed. Loads of flash on small parts that are a pain and time consuming to remove.  Not a criticism of Leslie's kits, rather resin as a medium in general, but when there is no RTR alternative, they are very welcome and do nicely.

I completely agree, the colour is much too bright - I was in a rush to put up a transferred sample and had no time to get it to one of my experts! A second container (not illustrated on the website) is a lot duller. I DID say that I hadn't painted / transferred anything in thirty plus years - Kieran has really got the touch - thanks to plenty of practise, as his fascinating "Workbench" shows.'s the best advert Provincial Wagons has!

Great stuff, Kieran - keep it up!

Leslie

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GNR(I) Coach Build

 

Finally got my interiors finished.

 

L12 Third Class/Brake

 

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B9 Third Class Buffett Car

 

This coach took the most time because of the Kitchen and Bar area.

 

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D5 First Class /Brake

 

Luckily I found a seating compartment from a Hornby coach that matched the seating area which saved a bit of time.

 

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Now I really have to tackle the roofs.

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Noel at the moment they will run with the RTR chassis bogies, I honestly don't know what the standard GNR(I) bogies where, perhaps someone could enlighten me?

 

Kirley, standard GNR bogies in the steel clad era ( from the mid 1930s) were 10' wheelbase. I don't know of anything suitable to that length, so I use the Bachmann LMS bogie.

 

Lovely work on those coaches. Both the brake/passenger coaches were quite generous in terms of the amount of space given over to the guards van section. In the case of the L12, it almost looks like the GNR used the standard K15 coach window layout, even though some of them were in the van section.

 

Cheers,

Glover

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GNR(I) Coach build

 

I changed the bogies on one coach to LMS 9' 6" but that meant the bogies were sitting out under the buffers so I had to relocate them further back.

 

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For the roofs I decided to try plastic rather than my usual aluminium ones.  Cooper Craft do 50' roofs for monster wagons so I got some and cut them down the center and added a 3mm box section from Plasticard to give the extra width. 

 

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I remember someone telling me of using tissue paper on roofs to give a representation of canvas so I decided to give it a go but it did not work for me.  It took a few hours to get the roofs back to the original condition.

 

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Primed the interiors and roofs.

 

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Prepared the brass for the etched primer.

 

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At last some colour on the coaches.

 

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A pink coach, well not quite, it's a base coat for a GNR(I) mahogany livery.

 

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Working out well so far.

Why don't they do 60ft or 63ft roofs for coaches?

Will they all be teak?

 

They don't have them in stock, Cooper Craft seem to be a bit of you only get what they have now or.....

GNR(I) all ran in mahogany accept for the AEC & BUT rakes and 3 of the 4 coaches I'm building will be in BUT livery, i.e. cream/dark blue.

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GNR(I) Coach build. [Continued]

 

My posting of my GNR(I) coach build prompted contact from a very knowledgeable person who was kind enough to point out the D5 coach was altered when converted to run in a BUT rake.  A door was blocked off and remade to allow outside access to the Guards compartment.

I decided to represent this so out with the snips and soldering iron.  

 

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Of the 4 coaches under construction one will have the GNR(I) Mahogany livery. This is it finished.

 

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Only 3 left to finish and they will be in the GNR(I) Railcar livery.

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Kirley,

 

The interior layout of your L12 brake/third has been puzzling me, although I don't doubt you have done your research.

 

Did the GNR, when they modified these coaches to run with the BUT railcars reduce the amount of passenger space? Possible but another possibility is mentioned in an article in the current issue of New Irish Lines.

Apparently, the GNR fitted what is described as heating plant into these coaches. If they used former passenger space, then that would explain the use of sliding vent windows in this area.

It also begs the questions: was there an exhaust vent in the roof and was there a fuel tank added for the heating equipment?

 

Not among the great questions of the day but interesting, to me anyway!

 

Cheers,

Glover

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Glover,

This is what I remember seeing:-

The boiler in the end of the coach was located on the centre line of the coach roughly 10 ft from the end of the coach.    It looked very similar to the one in the tin van although maybe a  little smaller - most likely a 'Spanner'.   The enclosure had an access door facing toward the corridor connection.   The corner of the enclosure was angled at approx. 45 deg (or thereabouts) to give more room for people going towards the corridor.  I don't know where the fuel and water tanks were.  

There was an exhaust vent protruding through the roof directly above the boiler.   Basically there was an open top box, about 6" high and about 30" square.  There was a flat circular rain cap visible inside the box, approx. level with the top of the box.  In appearance it was basically similar to the ones on the CIE AEC's after these had been fitted with larger Spanner boilers, replacing the original Vapor ones.

I hope that is of some help.

 

Jeremy.

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That's an amazing amount of information Jeremy; hats off to you and your memory! It certainly seems to support Kirleys internal layout.

 

Kirley, sorry but it sounds like I might just have created a bit more work for you!

 

Cheers,

 

Glover

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Looks different from what I saw.   The boiler compartment door was facing the gangway rather than to one side.    The boiler was at other end of the coach so that the corridor was on right side of the coach when you were standing facing the boiler compartment door.    The boiler was right in front of you when you looked in the doorway. 

Obviously there were variations in the layout in individual coaches so I would say that either arrangement would be acceptable.

 

Jeremy.

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