RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2017 Jeremy you may be recalling the boiler arrangement in the AECs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletchj1 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The AEC's (the CIE ones at least) had a similar Spanner type of boiler. It was located in the guard's compartment (no enclosure that I saw other than a simple wire mesh screen) on the left side, against the outer wall, when looking toward the gangway or on right when looking toward the cab end. Its exhaust flue was very similar to that on the GN coaches as just discussed but obviously at an angle from vertical and closer to the side. There was a 'Danfoss' temperature probe installed in the flue to confirm firing. The previous lower capacity Vapor Clarkson boilers had a smaller diameter flue with a cap but no surrounding 'box'. As far as I know the GN, later UTA AEC's had the original boilers right to the end. The old type VC boilers, flash tube type with downward firing from the top, a standard 'Vapor' design, were significantly noisier in operation. Colm's Diesel Dawn book makes refers to the railcar boilers. Jeremy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Thanks for the update. My interiors were taken from the original GNR(I) drawings showing alterations for BUT stock. In regard to windows were they clear glass or opaque in the boiler, luggage and guards compartments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 GNR(I) Coach Build Finally got my interiors finished. Now I really have to tackle the roofs. Love the interior. The pax sitting around the counter is class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Kirley, in regard to your query re windows in the BUT trailers, the only photo I can put my hand on at the moment is on page 69 of the late Norman Johnstons "Parting Shot". It's a partial shot of a L12 brake third in the NIR blue & cream livery, in a BUT set. The windows visible in the guards van section were clear although there would appear to be horizontal bars behind the windows, presumably to protect the glass, from luggage,parcels etc. Norman identifies the coach as being either 591 or 592. The photo was taken in 1968. Hope this helps. Glover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jackson Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 There is a picture in Norman Johnston's The GNR in Colour, on P73 which shows BUT Trailer 114, an L13 Brake 3rd. All windows seem to be clear except for the boiler compartment which looks opaque. There is also a picture on P67 in which the boiler compartment window looks different to the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Thanks for the replies. Glover, had a look at that picture but it's taken on the corridor side of the coach but I'll go with the Guard & Luggage compartments having clear glass and maybe add the 'bar'. I was resigning myself to having to add red boilers as per Jeremy's post than along comes David with some evidence to suggest the boiler compartments had opaque glass. If it's a toss up between adding red boilers or opaque glass then the glass wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 GNR(I) BUT converted coaches finished. It's always a relief to get to the end of a project. L12 Brake/3rd No. 94 D5 Brake/1st No. 231 B9 Buffett Car/3rd No. 124 After all the work on the bar interior there's not much to see from the outside unless I put in lights but for me that's a bridge to far. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 GNR(I) BUT converted coaches finished. It's always a relief to get to the end of a project. Superb achievement and craftsmanship Kieran. I love the extra details like the door handles, etc. Class job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Beautiful Kieran, i really like that livery and the passengers look great with their hats. Hat's of to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Great job Kieran,well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcg1959 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Kieran, when I see this level of work and dedication I realise that this forum is oozing with talent and expertise. Well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 A Class with correct wheel layout. The A Class (001) Co-Co locomotive had unusual bogies in that the wheel base distance between the 1st and 2nd wheel set are 5’ 6₃/₄” while the 2nd and 3rd wheel are 6’ 8₁/₄”. Last year I built a Q kit A Class and used a BullAnt chassis with the correct wheel base measurements. Luckily for me Eoin Murray had embarked of making bogies in white metal for the A & C class to the correct dimensions. I picked my set up in Oct at the Dublin show but am only now getting round to applying them to the model. As you can see the detail on the white metal bogies are fantastic. Some pictures of them on my A20R model. Also a video showing the pulling power of the BullAnt motor/chassis which has no problems with a heavy rake of cement wagons on the inclines on my layout. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I'm amazed that's from a Q Kit, it looks really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Great idea. The bogie sides look fab and the colouring of the bogie sides is spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Great work Kieran,a great looking and powerful loco,well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 31, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2017 Super way to finish off a Q kits loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The bogie sides look great with all the detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Murray Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Hi Kirley Looks great, I'm very close to assembling my A! once I have the ladders n pipes on the bogies worked out I'll send you a set The guard iron can take a bit of bending, but not repeatedly!- carefully done with a pliers with masking tape applied, holding the upper section of the bogie side from the front, again with a pliers, two bends- first inwards just under the frame, and second halfway down the iron bend it straight again pointing down to the track on front of the wheel. Paint finish may crack but hopefully you still have some paint for touch up Eoin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletchj1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Good work on that A class". I can appreciate the effort to make a Q Kits version presentable as it is a bit like 'making a silk purse from a sow's ear". Was your a resin or white metal version?. I believe that both were made. My own one is of resin and I had to do major surgery on it. I made new aluminium sides to replace the wavy wobbly originals and made new roof details. It has to be said that for all its faults the Q Kit A class has much more realistic cab front ends than do the Silverfox ones. I am curious about the Bull Ant under frame and drives. I don't know a lot about them. Am I right in saying that yours has a centre motor driving to gearboxes on the bogies?. I was lucky to come across some Athearn gearboxes with the correct unequal axle spacing. I made my own plastic bogie sides as Eoin Murray wasn't around making them at the time!. The motor in my A class is an old open one which I had at the time. It goes away too fast. It is a candidate for replacement with a modern flat can motor for more realistic speed. The unequal axle spacing is of course to accommodate the centre axle traction motor facing the one on an end axle. That is of course not needed on a Sulzer which does not have the centre axle motored. Do the 071's and 201's have unequal axle spacing?. Jeremy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenB Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yes, the Irish class 071 and 201 and the British class 59 and 66 all have this in common. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) I am curious about the Bull Ant under frame and drives. I don't know a lot about them. Am I right in saying that yours has a centre motor driving to gearboxes on the bogies?. Jeremy. The maker, Geoff in Australia, is recovering from a serious operation and is only completing existing orders. He trades as Hollywood Foundry. This is what I got from him for the A Class. Edited January 12, 2018 by kirley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 GNR(I) QGT 131 Q Class has had a major re build by the RSPI. A spin off from the Q Class was a Goods Tank engine the QGT. Last January a model of it appeared on the Web for sale. It has been suggested the builder may have been the late Harry Connaughton. As you can see it was powered by a fairly ancient Tri-ang Jinty chassis. I acquired a modern Hornby Jinty chassis but they changed shape of the block which meant I had to skim off some off the metal to get it to fit into the brass body. I marveled at the build of the trailing pony truck, it has 3 of the smallest nuts & bolts I ever saw but I had to reduce it down in size to fit the new chassis. There was lots of trimming back of the boiler to get the new chassis in place. It was good to get it on the rolling road to test it out. Wiring for DCC, painting and track testing was next on the agenda for this beautifully scratched built brass locomotive. I’m full of admiration of the skill of the builder. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Nice model Kieran, your prolific output is mind-blowing! Looking forward to seeing the loco in action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yes a lovely looking brass kit,nice addition to the fleet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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