kirley Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 13 hours ago, pat141 said: Found these pictures on the web, they might be useful. Thank Pat, had not seen the second picture clearly showing the container, which contained ballast, and was used as a barrier wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Midland Great Western 6-Wheel Coaches (CIE livery) 1st Class Saloon & Brake 3rd (Branch Line). Found Ernie Shepherd's book 'Midland Great Western Railway Of Ireland which was of great help. Any idea what colour the under frame was painted? Edited March 8, 2020 by kirley 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I’d go for a weathered black myself - maybe hint at weathered wood on the footboards?! Are you compensating any of the axles? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 I asked as I've read Irish rolling stock underframes were never painted black but JHB171achil should have an opinion on it. I'm using the Bill Bedford solution for the middle axle. https://www.mousa.biz/info/2011/10/six-wheeled-coaches/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achil Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) It’s wagon / goods underframes that were never black (albeit with a few exceptions, eg CDRJC). Carriages, and non-passenger stock used only, or primarily, in passenger trains, like NCC “brown vans” or many horse boxes, had black chassis. In the CIE green era, coach ends were black as well, and carriage roofs were sometimes (usually) black, but could also be dark grey. That’s a very neat model! Edited March 9, 2020 by jhb171achil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Thanks for the information JHB. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Midland Great Western 6-Wheel Coaches (CIE livery) Brake/3rd 11M Lavatory 1st 39M Coupe Composite 186M 1st Class Saloon 2M Three down, one to go. I have replaced the strengthening card with thin plasticard. Cutting out the windows is such a pain [excuse the pun] I change the scalpel blade twice for each coach. Scratch built the base and added the W Irons, using Bill Bedford parts. The centre wheel cannot be fixed to allow it to go round curves so the method used is to replace the original wheel axles with a 2 mm piece of tubing. A 1mm pinpoint axle is threaded through the tubing allowing this axle to ‘float’, that the theory anyway. Four bodies completed. Supporting blocks added for the couplings. Emergency Brakes scratch built. Interiors completed and roof furniture added. On the home straight now. Edited March 27, 2020 by kirley 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Looking nice, will they need a bit of extra weight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 I used 1.5 plasticard for the coach floor and the same for the chassis Pat. That plus the wheels & wheel fittings has made them a lot heavier than I was expecting. But the proof of the pudding is when I run them. I can always add weight underneath if need be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 Running boards on, roofs fixed and those other twiddly bits added. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Great job Kieran, a nice and unusual addition 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Kirley you are a hero! and a braver man than me. I bought one of those brake van kits to do what you have done and decided that I could not cut out the parts to satisfy myself. I did practise on one of those GSWR convertible vans; I binned it and the coach is still a set of plans! So much kudos to yourself and take a bow!! Keep healthy and safe and maybe say hello again at the NEC one day. Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 Thanks Mick, I can't say I'm won over to model making in card, I found cutting out the windows was difficult, the straight bits were okay but when doing the curves at the top I usually ended up tearing the card. Then when you coloured in the white bits I found the colour bled. I tried coating it in varnish first but it did not make a great difference. I'll not say I'll never do another one but it might be a while. It would be nice to meet up again, who knows where. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 13 hours ago, kirley said: Thanks Mick, I can't say I'm won over to model making in card, I found cutting out the windows was difficult, the straight bits were okay but when doing the curves at the top I usually ended up tearing the card. Then when you coloured in the white bits I found the colour bled. I tried coating it in varnish first but it did not make a great difference. I'll not say I'll never do another one but it might be a while. It would be nice to meet up again, who knows where. agreed Kieran, I found the same building Adelaide station building, hence the run down look! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Nice work. I use these kits a fair bit, although generally as coloured drawings, doing the actual build with plasticard. What I have found is that frequent changes of knife blade is key to keep the cutting sharp. It’s unbelievable how quickly card blunts a Swann Morton blade! My first effort at an Irish wagon was built straight from card.... Edited March 29, 2020 by Irish Padre 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 Nice job, but I'm thinking it must be easier in 0 gauge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 It is a bit easier in truth. David Jenkinson’s book on carriage building is rather a useful resource too in terms of how to scratch build in plastic... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Sperry Container Wagon. A straightforward project, all you need is a C-Rail 40’ container and plenty of photographs of the real thing. I drew out a template for all the doors, grills, steps and other ‘bits’. I used Evergreen to make the door frames, grills and steps along with scrap bits of plasticard. It’s now ready for a primer coat. I find that it's only when you start making a model do you notice lots of little details that you never saw before, for example covers for cables on the front of the container, cable on the rear, boxes added to the ends of the 47' bogie wagon which was painted black. I could go on but here is the finished Container Wagon. 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Not my era, Kieran but a lovely model! I agree about the details. I’m also noticing that I’m much more aware of how the real thing worked and what all those bits and pieces are for! I’m even working out the difference between bolts and rivets, and the fact that some handrails taper...spent more time than is healthy this week focusing on a water tank filler .... Edited April 3, 2020 by Irish Padre 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted April 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Irish Padre said: ...spent more time than is healthy this week focusing on a water tank filler .... You should get out more. Oh wait. ...... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 CIE Acrylonitrile Tankers. As promised there would be a Mark II run of these. The ends was the most difficult to fabricate so casts in resin were made of the plasticard master by Tony Ragg who even arranged transport to Kirley Junction. The ladders on the ends where tedious to make but after getting the measurements sorted the rest followed the pattern. Getting the double ribs on the tanks equally spaced was challenging until I hit on using a roll of paper to get it accurate. Five done but am waiting on more tubing to do the rest. Ends given a coat of primer I got brass walkways from A1. Models which should work out okay. Back to making more ends with ladders. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Amazing stuff. You might sell some if you have too many maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 Mmm....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 You're doing great work there! It will be an impressive train. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Many thanks for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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