TheTurfBurner Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Excellent work as always. One very minor thing - I do not recall ever seeing a photograph of a B101 with staff exchanger fitted - even back to introduction in 1956. They were elusive beasts, so it is possible - but any I saw from 1971 on did not have it fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 That's a nice paint job, looks great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Agree joints to both bogies need to be flexible, but there is no need for the motor to be exactly central. It doesn't matter if one shaft is shorter than the other. If the flywheel is too close to the bogie for a flexible joint then suggest doing away with one of the flywheels and replace with a flexible joint shaft so bogie is free to pivot. With DCC flywheels are less essential anyway due to the pulsing of the motors, and one flywheel will do. Edited September 18, 2017 by NoelG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 BCDR Class 22 Baltic Tank. A sheep in wolf's clothing...... IMG_5773x.jpg IMG_5775.JPG IMG_5776.JPG IMG_5777.JPG IMG_5778.JPG IMG_5781.JPG IMG_5783.JPG IMG_5784.JPG BCDR Class 22 Baltic Tank. A sheep in wolf's clothing...... IMG_5773x.jpg IMG_5775.JPG IMG_5776.JPG IMG_5777.JPG IMG_5778.JPG IMG_5781.JPG IMG_5783.JPG IMG_5784.JPG Great finished job with the Baltic Kieran,she really looks the part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Nice finish with the Sulzer,hope you get the chassis sorted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 One very minor thing - I do not recall ever seeing a photograph of a B101 with staff exchanger fitted - even back to introduction in 1956. They were elusive beasts, so it is possible - but any I saw from 1971 on did not have it fitted. Thanks Jonathan, that’s me assuming because there was a recess for a Staff Exchanger there must have been some fitted but I checked my small group of Sulzer photographs I did not find any either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Agree joints to both bogies need to be flexible, but there is no need for the motor to be exactly central. It doesn't matter if one shaft is shorter than the other. If the flywheel is too close to the bogie for a flexible joint then suggest doing away with one of the flywheels and replace with a flexible joint shaft so bogie is free to pivot. With DCC flywheels are less essential anyway due to the pulsing of the motors, and one flywheel will do. Thanks Noel I'll explore that further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 Did some reading on RM Web. Removing a flywheel does not appear to be an easy job, see Nile's approach on his thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Suggest check in case securing the motor in the cradle works before removing the flywheel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Did some reading on RM Web. Removing a flywheel does not appear to be an easy job, see Nile's approach on his thread. Nile RM Web.jpg It depends on how the flywheel is fitted to the motor shaft some such as Athearn & Walthers are a push fit on the shaft and are fairly easy release. Heating the shaft with a soldering will break the bond if the flywheel is secured with Loctite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 It depends on how the flywheel is fitted to the motor shaft some such as Athearn & Walthers are a push fit on the shaft and are fairly easy release. Heating the shaft with a soldering will break the bond if the flywheel is secured with Loctite. A flywheel removal tool like this might be useful to have in the toolbox. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Turnigy-25mm-Flywheel-Removal-Tool-RC-Model-Engine-/301489102310?hash=item4632269de6:g:35MAAOSwZapZxM2m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 A flywheel removal tool like this might be useful to have in the toolbox. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Turnigy-25mm-Flywheel-Removal-Tool-RC-Model-Engine-/301489102310?hash=item4632269de6:g:35MAAOSwZapZxM2m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) I've put the Sulzer chassis on the back burner for a while until I decide the best approach. Meanwhile something less complicated: CIE Bogie Fertilizer Wagons When MIR closed it's doors I had only 3 Fertilizer Wagons and would like to have a few more to replicate the two great pictures in Jonathan Allen's great book, '35 Years of NIR' showing Hunslets pulling a Fertilizer Train to/from Waterside (pages 101-102). When Ian McNally (MIR) came back on the scene last year I was able to get 4 Fertilizer Wagon Kits. I decided to use Bachmann Y25 bogies instead of kit ones but used the white metal sides of the MIR's which brought out the bogies to the right width. I used plasticard to connect the bogies to the resin body. This latest version of this kit has different doors and I attached them as individual ones covering my finger tops in superglue in the process. More pictures of the build. Primer coat added. Only painting, decals to be added and then final assembly. Edited September 24, 2017 by kirley 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurfBurner Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 When MIR closed it's doors I had only 3 Fertilizer Wagons and would like to have a few more to replicate the two great pictures in Jonathan Allen's great book, '35 Years of NIR' showing Hunslets pulling a Fertilizer Train to/from Waterside (pages 101-102). Just want to mention that is a Denis Grimshaw shot and NOT one of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 Completed the build and then a test run along with my other three wagons. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nice wagons, good work. You could consider having some loaded up. Maybe with a false floor near the top, so you only need a small load to cover the false floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Nice wagons, good work. You could consider having some loaded up. Maybe with a false floor near the top, so you only need a small load to cover the false floor. I intend to fill some Pat. I would fill the body with packing foam and add the top layer of bags but it's a future project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 CIE Sulzer -Decision made on the chassis. You may have read on Post #370 the problems I had with the cutting down of an MM 071 chassis to fit a Silver Fox Resin body Sulzer. I finally decided on what way to tackle it, by doing what should have been done in the first place, cutting the chassis on both sides of the motor/flywheel and reducing the drive shafts accordingly. Taking a hacksaw to a chassis is not for the faint heartened but it had to be done. The body was joined using Araldite and left to cure for a day. The metal section removed was placed on the other side but more dicast metal sections had to be added to get to the right length. I ended up with a chassis that looks like this. I used plastic square tubing to fill out the gap on the left hand side but the underneath was a dicast metal section. Next the bit I was not looking forward too, cutting the length of the drive shafts and joining them with evergreen tubing. Of course the tubing available was not the right internal diameter so had to be drilled out. I was not happy with the likely resilience of the evergreen tubing so I searched the Net and came up with PTFE Teflon Tubing with the right internal diameter. It provided a tight grip on the drive shafts and initial test showed good results. Below is a video of the completed model in action along with an earlier Sulzer I built a number of years ago. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) CIE Sulzer -Decision made on the chassis. You may have read on Post #370 the problems I had with the cutting down of an MM 071 chassis to fit a Silver Fox Resin body Sulzer. I finally decided on what way to tackle it, by doing what should have been done in the first place, cutting the chassis on both sides of the motor/flywheel and reducing the drive shafts accordingly. IMG_1978x.jpg Taking a hacksaw to a chassis is not for the faint heartened but it had to be done. IMG_1986x.jpg The body was joined using Araldite and left to cure for a day. IMG_1987x.jpg The metal section removed was placed on the other side but more dicast metal sections had to be added to get to the right length. IMG_1988x.jpg I ended up with a chassis that looks like this. IMG_2031x.jpg I used plastic square tubing to fill out the gap on the left hand side but the underneath was a dicast metal section. Next the bit I was not looking forward too, cutting the length of the drive shafts and joining them with evergreen tubing. Of course the tubing available was not the right internal diameter so had to be drilled out. IMG_2059x.jpg I was not happy with the likely resilience of the evergreen tubing so I searched the Net and came up with PTFE Teflon Tubing with the right internal diameter. IMG_2060x.jpg It provided a tight grip on the drive shafts and initial test showed good results. Below is a video of the completed model in action along with an earlier Sulzer I built a number of years ago. Well done Kieran. Fabulous end result, and really helpful information. B103 looking and running really well. I have had a donor 071 lined up for an SF Sulzer and an SF A class for the past year but your success has inspired me to have a go this winter with them both. Super job. B107 also looks well and love the B24 class sound project your using. Hope you get a chance to post this over on the Irish forum because it is a golden nugget of information for all the Sulzer fans. PS: I used a carborundum cutting disc attached to a mini drill to cut down my 141 chassis blocks for the SF C class models. Edited October 6, 2017 by NoelG 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletchj1 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Query on the Silver Fox 'B' Class body:- There doesn't seem to be the slot shaped turbocharger exhaust outlet halfway along the body. It was not uncommon on the prototype to see flames and sparks coming out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Excellent work as always. One very minor thing - I do not recall ever seeing a photograph of a B101 with staff exchanger fitted - even back to introduction in 1956. They were elusive beasts, so it is possible - but any I saw from 1971 on did not have it fitted. It took a while but I found a picture. See more at this link: http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1280-sulzers-and-tablet-catchers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurfBurner Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It took a while but I found a picture. DSC02595.jpg See more at this link: http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1280-sulzers-and-tablet-catchers Good Heavens - I'm having to sit down after seeing that! 1957 is some 14 years before I joined IRRS, so that Journal is not in the collection. Nevertheless, you learn something new every day. Strong drink may be required to aid recovery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Fertilizer Wagons Revisited After building 4 kits using Bachmann 25Y bogies I was so impressed by their smooth running I decided to re do my 3 original Wagons with these bogies as well. All run to the same standard now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
61666 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just prolific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Nice work and pictures. Those bogies should be easy made from plastic and stick the bogie sides on. Might save a pound or two if you need a lot made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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