Glover Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) That's a nice job on the Ratio coach Kirley. Given the diversity of old coaching stock still in service in the early 1950s, it makes a more than plausible representation of such relics as were often found behind J15s . Cheers, Glover Edited January 3, 2019 by Glover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Great stuff Kieran Your GSWR brakes are the first built examples of my (Michael's) kit and look great. Richard's six wheel passenger van is a delight - I've got two of them on Portadown Junction - they got some use on Christmas postal extras. He's really conquered the six wheel underframe which rides well even on my vile track work. Highly recommended to anyone modelling GNR. Michael is making progress with a Y5 van for me - hopefully by Bangor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Very nice coaches, something different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 WT Class locomotive [Jeep] After a lot of persuasion Allen Doherty produced an aide to building this much loved locomotive. What you get for your money is two sheets of etched brass parts and the rest is up to you. It was designed to fit over a Hornby Fowler 4P chassis and the sourcing of additional parts was left to the builder. I had hoped by now someone would have put up pictures of their build so see how it was constructed but that has not happened yet however I was lucky in having a renowned model builder (Tony Ragg) as my mentor in this project. The first thing he did was to make a base to build the model on using basswood and card. Some of the pictures I took are not of great quality and I missed taking ones of a difficult part of the build but here are the results so far. The main construction method involves bending different parts which slot into each other. The parts are then soldered together. As you can see in the pictures above and below some of the etched parts need to be cut to give driving wheel clearance and fit round the motor. To be continued. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Murray Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Excellent Kirley Looking forward to see this progressing, I'm off to get the kit Eoin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Excellent Kirley Looking forward to see this progressing, I'm off to get the kit Eoin I wish you had got your first, it would have been a lot easier to following your building process. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Good to see a start being made, and it's looking well! I am a bit suprised however to see you had to cut into the etch as its meant to be "designed" for the RTR chassis, ah well. Happy new year to you, and everyone else! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I think I will stick to hacking plastic....but hats off to Tony & Kieran. Like Nelson, I am surprised that it's necessary to cut away chunks of the cab floor to get the wheels to turn round! This may be because the cab front is moved forward (correct to prototype) and I had to do the same when I built the first Mogul. My Jeeps retained the original longer Fowler firebox and cab front and this means the cab itself is about 4/5mm shorter than it actually was. I then trimmed the front of the tanks so that the general proportions looked okay! It's the sort of thing you often need to do in a plastic conversion!. The attached pic of an early build shows what was done. When finished it looked okay.(I counted recently and I built 17 jeeps to dat,. by coincidence). I expect this present build will be a splendid and very accurate model when completed. Colm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Nice work and thanks for posting and the photos. I have an aversion to brass and also prefer cutting up plastic. Full of admiration for those 'brass masters' who can turn out fabulous models. So I will continue to admire from the sidelines what lovely models some folk can produce from such a difficult medium. Will follow this with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 WT Class locomotive [Jeep] continued. The sides and fire box were next. You fold them into shape, the piece of masking tape is just to provide some support for the doors as they could be damaged during the build. The sides just slot together and are then soldered. The metal above side cab windows needs to be bend at the top to meet the front and back cab profile. Back and bunker section. In the photograph below you can see the raised piece of metal on the back of the Hornby chassis. Allen Doherty designed a piece of brass to sit over this block of metal giving support to the body to sit right on the chassis. In the photograph above it is marked B and sits at right angle to the back A. This is fine but it presents a problem as part C above, the bunker floor, is designed to go at an angle from the back down to floor level at the rear cab wall. The supporting brass right angle is in the way. What I did was to cut away part of the floor and soldered it to the right angle which you can just about see in the picture above. It will not effect the look as this whole area will be covered in 'coal'. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 Posted Today, 12:06 WT Class locomotive [Jeep] continued. The boiler. This comes as a flat sheet of brass but I was lucky to get the loan on a rolling machine from North Down Railway Modelling Club. After rolling it looked like this but my mentor, Tony Ragg, told me I needed two brass discs to support either end of the brass tube. Again to the rescue he just fabricated two from a piece of brass on his lathe. The initial cut out for the motor Fixing the smoke-box overlay prior to soldering. Soldered the internal firebox support Testing to see if the fire-box fits over the motor. The brass pieces had to be bent to cover the bunker sides. Tony introduced me to the process of annealing, i.e. heating the bass to make it more pliable. A comparison between the Hornby 4P body. Had to cut away part of the brass ring to allow the boiler fit over the motor. Firebox fitted in place. The support for the smoke-box fitted underneath the footplates. As you can see below there is something wrong with the front plate, buffer beam section, too short of the Hornby chassis. Allen Doherty hopes to have a revised part available by the end of this month. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 That is serious work Kirley. I was wondering about the boiler; I have to say that I would be reaching for the plastic at that stage. I have a Fowler loco in stock with the idea of a conversion along the lines of Colm Flannigan but the thought had occurred to me that, subject to Allen Doherty agreeing, it might be possible to use the Worsley Works etches as overlays on the Hornby plastic but I see from your photo that the exterior etches are spread over the two etches. You have more than enough work on your hands but I'm just wondering if you have given any thought to the driving wheel diameter ? I've seen somebody say that all you need to do is replace them with Hornby 6' wheels. Yea, right! Best of luck, Glover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 You have more than enough work on your hands but I'm just wondering if you have given any thought to the driving wheel diameter ? I've seen somebody say that all you need to do is replace them with Hornby 6' wheels. Yea, right! Best of luck, Glover I had though of using Black 5 wheels but then I was told by someone who is involved with the RPSI that the Jeep would lose over 3” of its rims before they were re-wheeled so I did not bother. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Jeez, that's some degradation. Will the buffer heights work out OK on the model? Regards, Glover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 It’s the standard Hornby chassis so it should not be a problem with other stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thank you for taking the time to photograpgh everything Kirley! It's coming along well! Do you recommend however that those of us who bought the kit message Alan, to see if we can get the revised etched parts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thank you for taking the time to photograpgh everything Kirley! It's coming along well! Do you recommend however that those of us who bought the kit message Alan, to see if we can get the revised etched parts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 According to Allen he did his etch from drawings not an actual model. I’m not sure that all Hornby chassis are exactaly the same, mine is a more recent one. I would suggest you do a ‘dry fit’ of the parts on your chassis and you will see if you need the revised parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 WT Class locomotive [Jeep] continued. I added the overlays and gathered up the many parts needed to complete the model. Have to wait on the front replacement parts to arrive before finishing the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Looking really good Kirley. Can I ask where you sourced the chimney and dome? Many thanks, Glover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 I think it was 247 Developments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Very neat assembly Kieran, its certainly starting to look like a WT rather than a bashed Hornby Fowler. Worsley Works parts were originally intended for experienced modelers to take the drudgery out of complex repetitious work like cutting out and forming paneled coach sides which can be formed much easier in etch brass than plasticard. Designing a set of parts that is prototypically accurate and will fit a rtr chassis is challenging particularly if the Hornby have stretched the chassis to suit its tension lock couplers and run round small radius curves. Personally I think the plastic rtr bash/ vs the scratchbuild/kitbash in metal thing is more psychological than anything else. I never had much success converting plastic rtr models into Irish Locos or rolling stock, but have had no significant failures in metal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 I agree John, horses for courses. I am happy to have a go at either method as long I get the model I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 GNR W1 Brake Van (continued) This is one of Richard Ellis-Hobbs 3D productions. Decals from HMRS eventually arrived, ordered 1.1.19 and I had to pay £1.50 as the postage was under paid. Then I had to re-learn how to do Pressfix Transfers, the wording was so small I put some on upside down so it ended up a 2 hour job. Got there in the end. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat141 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Nice work. Small numbers are so fiddly you can end up cross eyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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