Andy Y Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 1928 build steel 'K-Type' Pullman cars saw their initial service on the East Coast routes, some of the East Coast Pullmans transferred to trains on the Southern Region after the introduction of the MetCamm Mk1 Pullmans but I think the only one of this batch that ran on the Southern was the Kitchen First 'Loraine' The models are at the livery sample stage and Hornby commented that the umber needs adjusting to match previous Pullman models before production. R4660 Pullman Third Class Kitchen Car- K-Type Pullman Car £49.99 R4661 Pullman Third Class Parlour Car - K-Type Pullman Car £49.99 R4662 Pullman Third Class Brake Parlour Car - K-Type Pullman Car £49.99 R4663 Pullman First Class Kitchen Car - K-Type Pullman Car £49.99 R4664 Pullman First Class Parlour Car- K-Type Pullman Car £49.99 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 These have to be the biggest surprise! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hornby do really corner the market in Pullmans and not too long to wait so it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 In the nick of time for Locomotion's Ivatt Atlantics.....red & blue boxes in harmony. Nice. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Is this the type that was produced by Hornby in the olden days? Lucille was the model if I remember. cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yes, but this time around with the essential kitchens and third parlour car. And very much ideal for use with the Ivatt Atlantic as already noted, which is a happy coincidence. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Will Arnold be releasing these in N Gauge too? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Not sure why Andy thought only Loraine went to the Southern Region? According to Antony Ford, Agatha was also there by 1961 along with nine others. Several more were transferred later in the 1960s. I much prefer grey for the roof, though. Is it white or silver in the pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Forester I had also missed the fact that that both Lorraine and Agatha were transferred to the Southern Region for use on the Bournemouth Belle in 1961. I have also updated my blog post accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Excellent news. A welcomed release and look to be very fine models. Well Done Hornby. (As with my S15 comment...) I will be waiting until the 1960s versions are released to augment my original 8-wheeled rake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I've lost count of the number of iterations Hornby's Pullmans have gone through now! Would Gresley bogies be appropriate for some of these particular generation? I remember that Hornby-Dublo thought so. The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2014 What about the Pullman cars that ran on the GWR in 1929? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) What about the Pullman cars that ran on the GWR in 1929? The ones built for the Torquay Pullman service were K-type but with white cantrail and panels, but published photos show that there were some older ones used as well. Some of the photos may actually be the contemporary Plymouth boat trains rather than the Torquay Pullman. Adrian Edited December 17, 2014 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 What about the Pullman cars that ran on the GWR in 1929? None in 1929 but several found their way on to the South Wales Pullman in the 1960s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Didn't the LMS inherit some Pullman cars in Scotland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 Didn't the LMS inherit some Pullman cars in Scotland? There were nine 12-wheelers refurbished and sold to the LMS in 1933. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 Good opportunity with these new coaches to release a seven coach Queen Of Scots set perhaps with a suitable pacific to haul it. Don't know if that's too long for too many people though. Most sets seem to be limited to three coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Good opportunity with these new coaches to release a seven coach Queen Of Scots set perhaps with a suitable pacific to haul it. Don't know if that's too long for too many people though. Most sets seem to be limited to three coaches. eek... nice but @ £50.00 each pricey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 eek... nice but @ £50.00 each pricey Yes, but people seem to be buying sets like the Great Goodbye and today's newly-announced set of four silver A4s. Perhaps Hornby could throw in a loco for free if you save seven Pullman tokens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Speaking as someone who is totally bewildered by all of the various permutations of Pullmans that Hornby have released in the last few years, here's a question. Andy mentioned that these were displaced on the Eastern Region by the BR Met-Cam Mk1 Pullmans, but IIRC some of the older brake coaches were retained on ER because of the absence of Mk1 Pullman brakes- I'm thinking of photos of trains like the 'Master Cutler' comprised of Met-Cams combined with the older-style brake coaches (Mk1 BGs also being used). With the article in the current Hornby mag on Pullman train formations in mind, where the 'Cutler' in 1962 behind the Brush prototype 'Falcon' is one of the examples illustrated, are these the correct Pullman brakes to use with the Met-Cams for the early 60's period? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 60027Merlin Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2014 Excellent news about the release next year of suitable Cars for the Queen of Scots at long last. I would appreciate clarification from those who are well up on the details of the Pullman Cars as I am not. I see from the Hornby photos that the 3rd. Class Cars have "Third Class" included in the number panels .From checking up in the K Type Pullman Profile Book No. 3 by Antony Ford today, it would appear, according to the photographs in that book and in others, that this inclusion was in the panels only in the immediate post war years but by the early 50s thereafter for the decade the"Third Class" notation was dropped and only the number is present. I have checked up my individual photos as well and the number only seems to be the case. If this is correct it would be advisable for Hornby to have only the Car number in each panel to suit their A4s and A3s which they presumably want to tie in to these Car sets as modellers would require them to match up with the locos. Hopefully some of you will have the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCAR6015 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The " K type " Pullmans that Hornby have just announced - were coaches to this series ever used in the consist of the " Golden Arrow " during the B.R. steam / diesel transition period the late 1950 / early 1960 period? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 The " K type " Pullmans that Hornby have just announced - were coaches to this series ever used in the consist of the " Golden Arrow " during the B.R. steam / diesel transition period the late 1950 / early 1960 period? Sorry no, as stated above of the five being produced only Agetha and Lorraine were transferred to the Southern Region in 1961 and were used on the Bournemouth Belle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 In case anyone is confused about these carriages; Andy does mention this in his initial text, but these new ones are the all steel K type. They are an up to date replacement and expansion of the old Triang-Hornby ones currently in the Railroad range and are primarily of interest to LNER and eastern region modellers. The other Hornby Pullmans are the standard K type and largely applicable to Southern modellers. Since Pullman carriages were generally not owned by the railway companies some carriages were moved around over the years. This and detail differences like the shape of the Pullman crest, colours of panels, carriages rebuild from 1st to 3rd class, renumbering/renaming etc. mean it is a minefield if you want to model a specific era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunel273 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Does any one know whether it is possible to produce an accurate 1929 White Pullman using Hornby's Pullmans. I know that Keen sell a conversion for the earlier 1st class parlour cars but the range is limited and cannot produce the 6 coach formation. Regards Brian Patterson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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