RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2019 There's a list on www.semgonline.com. I think it's missing the most recent ones, but it's pretty comprehensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnR said: There's a list on www.semgonline.com. I think it's missing the most recent ones, but it's pretty comprehensive. Hi John, many thanks - just had a search on www.semgonline.com but couldn't find the list - can you be more specific where to find it? cheers Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted March 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2019 I believe it is in the members only section - well worth signing up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) R4298A-G were, in order, 7665, 7666, 7671, 7672, 7224, 7667, so three from 469, two from 470. There seems not have been a R4298F. Odd. 7224 was a loose vehicle until 1959 - you could use that as a substitute for one of the missing ones on the basis that the regular vehicle was in shops for exceptional work. And unless your eyesight is exceptional, in normal running Maunsell coach numbers take some reading! I have no doubt you have seen in Gould the pic of an Atlantic with 469, including two Pullmans, but am unable to help with identities Edited March 30, 2019 by Oldddudders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Richard Jones said: Hi John, many thanks - just had a search on www.semgonline.com but couldn't find the list - can you be more specific where to find it? cheers Richard There's a list of coach sets here - http://www.semgonline.com/coach/sets.html. It's an Excel spreadsheet so you'll need the Excel viewer if you don't already have Excel on your PC. The download link is towards the bottom of the page. Edited March 30, 2019 by RFS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, RFS said: There's a list of coach sets here - http://www.semgonline.com/coach/sets.html. It's an Excel spreadsheet so you'll need the Excel viewer if you don't already have Excel on your PC. The download link is towards the bottom of the page. Or an OpenOffice or LibreOffice installation with their spreadsheet programs that can also read Excel files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: R4298A-G were, in order, 7665, 7666, 7671, 7672, 7224, 7667, so three from 469, two from 470. There seems not have been a R4298F. Odd. 7224 was a loose vehicle until 1959 - you could use that as a substitute for one of the missing ones on the basis that the regular vehicle was in shops for exceptional work. And unless your eyesight is exceptional, in normal running Maunsell coach numbers take some reading! I have no doubt you have seen in Gould the pic of an Atlantic with 469, including two Pullmans, but am unable to help with identities Thanks Ian, That sums up where I had got to on the Firsts, I just wondered if the missing "F" might be one of set 470! I must have a look to see if any of the high window variants are suitable for central section, but have a feeling that what I need aren't available in SR olive..... cheers Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, RFS said: There's a list of coach sets here - http://www.semgonline.com/coach/sets.html. It's an Excel spreadsheet so you'll need the Excel viewer if you don't already have Excel on your PC. The download link is towards the bottom of the page. Many thanks Robert & Ian J - that is, indeed, an excellent spreadsheet, which I downloaded many years ago - what I was looking for was a list of the numbers carried by the Hornby models, if there was such a thing - if not I probably have almost enough information now to generate one! cheers Richard Edited March 30, 2019 by Richard Jones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Aha! Found it - on the "new" SREmG@groups.io in the "files" section under R-T-R, HornbyMaunsells.pdf (https://groups.io/g/SREmG/files/RTRLists) cheers Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 23, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2019 Can you post photos of each side? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 The number of doors on the COMPARTMENT side will determine whether it's a Third or a First - though a Composite would confuse the issue ! ....... yes, the majority of Firsts ( and Compos ) were formed in sets though there were exceptions ......... there were zillions of loose Thirds, of course : Gould gives details : what date/period are you aiming at ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 "Loose" firsts were generally used for special traffic, typically Ocean Liner Expresses and race specials, all first trains weren't unknown for the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 No problem going for Restriction 1* - slightly flatten the turnunder on the bodysides and file the locating ribs on the ends to suit : the width at floor and cantrail level was virtually the same as Restriction 4 ! ( Drawings in Mike Kings 'bible' should show the shape you're aiming at.) * though without Gould in front of me I can't comment on the loose or set status of the Firsts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) The Maunsell low-window R4 Corridor Firsts were 7208-7227, 7665-7674. 7665-67 were initially formed in Set 469 and 7671-74 in set 470; 7668-70 were for the Newhaven Boat set. All the others were 'loose'. 7666/67 were released to 'loose' from 469 and 7671-74 from 470 in 1933. FKs 7218 and 7219 were formed in sets 206 and 207 in 1931; 7211-7213, 7215 and 7225 were formed in sets 244-247 and 430 in 1933; 7216 and 7222 were formed in sets 248 and 327 in 1936. All these 'new' sets were otherwise formed of high-window stock. 7227 was condemned with fire damage, 8/36. If you are going to use them for the R1 equivalents then there were only 8 of those, 7390-97. All of them were formed into sets 465/66 (4 in each, in order). 7392 and 7395/96 were 'loose' in 1933, having been released from the sets they were originally allocated to. Edited May 24, 2019 by talisman56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted May 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2019 As an aside, here's a picture of a four car R1 set just north of Balcombe. R1 sets seem to have been most unusual on the Central section. We have a set of Roxey R1s to build. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2019 Nice pic, John! As I’m away from references at present (on 06.57 Plymouth - Padlington, en route Railex) I can’t think where on the former Brighton district R1 applied - other than through trains between Grove Junc and Tonbridge? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 The train is a special and, judging by the fact that a special headcode has been allocated, an inter-Divisional special at that because specials within a Division would normally carry the nearest relevant route headcode. I wondered about the possibility of a Portsmouth-Chatham naval special. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) There was a couple of R1 'commuter' sets introduced (465/66) to replace the initial R4 sets which were transferred away due to clearance issues in Lewes tunnel, set 470 suffering a couple of scrapes there. So while not exactly common, it was not unknown for there to be R1 stock in regular use on the ex-LBSC lines east of the Brighton main line, at least until electrification... Edited May 25, 2019 by talisman56 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 25/05/2019 at 17:05, talisman56 said: There was a couple of R1 'commuter' sets introduced (465/66) to replace the initial R4 sets which were transferred away due to clearance issues in Lewes tunnel, set 470 suffering a couple of scrapes there. So while not exactly common, it was not unknown for there to be R1 stock in regular use on the ex-LBSC lines east of the Brighton main line, at least until electrification... The 'Nondescripts' were R1, of course, and could turn up pretty well anywhere as strengtheners .......... and the 'Continental' brakes which were a familiar feature of the Newhaven Boats were R1 too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Wickham Green said: ......... and the 'Continental' brakes which were a familiar feature of the Newhaven Boats were R1 too. We have one being built! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Re6/6 said: We have one being built! Please Sir, which kit is that? (assuming it's a kit and not a one off set of etchings) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wickham Green said: ......... and the 'Continental' brakes which were a familiar feature of the Newhaven Boats were R1 too. We have one being built! Worsley Works do a range of SECR 'Continentals' http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Southern_Pregroup_SECR.htm Section at the bottom of the page. 'Kits comprise of sides with seperate droplights, ends with steps, floor with fold down trussing, where appropriate, and battery boxes' Edited May 28, 2019 by Re6/6 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 28/05/2019 at 14:02, Re6/6 said: We have one being built! Worsley Works do a range of SECR 'Continentals' http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Southern_Pregroup_SECR.htm Section at the bottom of the page. 'Kits comprise of sides with seperate droplights, ends with steps, floor with fold down trussing, where appropriate, and battery boxes' Worsley Works are really missing several tricks in that they have a really interesting range of etched stuff and will produce something in 4mm from their 3mm range if you want, but they seem to keep themselves a bit low profile. OK you have to do quite a lot to get a 'kit' but the range of sides for conversions is impressive. Phil P.S. Nice 'Continental' by the way, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 19:34, 2ManySpams said: I don't have a FK, not much use in most West of England sets, but they have accurately modelled the differences in the other coaches. The CK and SK have the appropriate 7 and 8 compartments for instance and accurately reflect the different body styles. I have no reason to think the FK and CK would use the same body shell. The FKs didn't sell well and can often be found in bargain bins. 'Bargain' FKs good for conversions....however taking a cutting disc/cutter saw to any Hornby Maunsell makes me feel really guilty. P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted June 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Worsley Works are really missing several tricks in that they have a really interesting range of etched stuff and will produce something in 4mm from their 3mm range if you want, but they seem to keep themselves a bit low profile. OK you have to do quite a lot to get a 'kit' but the range of sides for conversions is impressive. Phil P.S. Nice 'Continental' by the way, 12 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: 'Bargain' FKs good for conversions....however taking a cutting disc/cutter saw to any Hornby Maunsell makes me feel really guilty. P I got hold of the Worsley etches for the Continental 1st brake but I felt that they were incredibly flimsy and so I gave up; I had not really considered just using them as sides on a donor body, but then I am not sure what would be suitable. I'd be interested to know whether the one pictured has been braced in any way in order to give it more strength? Nevertheless, I agree about the range available from Worsley. Tony 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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