Kirkby Luneside

[freebs]

I think it's been worth persevering with here Jeff. The plastic stone work is looking excellent - and your treatment of the quoins and lintels is superb.

[P.C.M]

Hi Jeff.

The goods shed is looking great, I quite like the Wills sheets and used a few myself I have hidden joins by using a soldering iron to melt some motar  lines into the plastic.

 

Cheers Peter.

[Physicsman]

I think it's been worth persevering with here Jeff. The plastic stone work is looking excellent - and your treatment of the quoins and lintels is superb.

 

Hi Jeff.

The goods shed is looking great, I quite like the Wills sheets and used a few myself I have hidden joins by using a soldering iron to melt some motar  lines into the plastic.

 

Cheers Peter.

 

Thanks guys. I'll be ready for action once I get home and my new supply of superglue.

 

I think I'll build the office section, then that can be covered in Wills sheet and a roof can be built.

 

I'm sure there'll be "viewers" on here who'll be thinking "come on, do something other than the scratchbuild". I think the building will go on for quite some time, but I may get chance at some stage to do a short video or two and upload it.

 

Jeff

[freebs]

There are also lots of us who just absolutely love watching others scratch build stuff and seeing it progress, no matter how slow that might be

[Physicsman]

There are also lots of us who just absolutely love watching others scratch build stuff and seeing it progress, no matter how slow that might be

 

In that case, Lee, here are a couple of relatively "trivial" pics of what I've done this morning.

 

The quoins have been fitted to the cutting end of the shed, filler added and rubbed down/scribed (it'll need another going over once the filler is fully set). And I've built the office cabin that attaches to the signal box end of the shed.

 

 

 

Jeff

[Alister_G]

That really is looking good Jeff, I was still betting on the DAS version, but I'm increasingly being swayed by what you've done with the Will sheets, it's looking superb. The last shot of the end wall is bloomin' brilliant!

 

Al.

[Physicsman]

That really is looking good Jeff, I was still betting on the DAS version, but I'm increasingly being swayed by what you've done with the Will sheets, it's looking superb. The last shot of the end wall is bloomin' brilliant!

 

Al.

 

Thanks Al. I have to say that the "plastic method" is taking longer than I expected, but that's because of the surprisingly (to me) large number of individual stones I'm having to cut out and re-size. But it's really good fun - more so than expected. I think my expectations are a bit out all round!

 

Anyway, the office has now been attached to the main shed and another arch ring fitted. Pic attached - I'll start putting stones onto the office later today.

 

 

Jeff

[Physicsman]

Here's the situation at the end of today's work: almost the entire main ply shell now has a "stone" coating, with arches, lintels and a slightly protruding base-key block added in. I'll put a covering onto the office tomorrow (most of it) and then think about the triangular areas above the entrance/exit arches. It'll then be close to the time for a paint primer.....then the interior platform/roof.........

 

 

 

 

Jeff

[MarshLane]

Hi Jeff,

I hate to be critical, but I'm not sure about the viability of the limited foundations - id have thought perhaps four pencil sharpeners each side hehe

 

Seriously, its looking really good.  As a matter of interest have you kept any kind of rough track of time of this method verses the DAS clay?  Given the difference in your expectations over the extra stones being cut out and the detailing, Im curious as to what the difference in timescale has been?

 

I presume your happy with the outcome so far? Any thoughts as to which method / building you prefer?

 

Rich

[Physicsman]

Hi Rich.

 

You'd have had a reply 20 minutes ago if my internet access hadn't crashed. So, here goes (I managed to copy my reply before the crash)....

 

 

Good sets of questions, Rich, and a bit tricky to answer all of them!

 

I've a day-by-day photographic record of everything that's been done on KL2 since the first wood was cut for the first L-girder on 24th August, 2015. I think it currently runs to around 4000ish images. So I can look back and get an idea of the time spent on all the different tasks (the most consuming being the 150+ hours on the damned walls!)

 

If we consider just the bricklaying, as each ply shell took a similar time to construct.....

 

DAS bricklaying lasted (still not quite finished, ~ 99% done) about 15 days.

 

Total time on the Wills sheets is currently around 10 days.

 

BUT, I didn't make any cock-ups with the DAS, it being a "proven"(!!!!!!!!!!!) technology. With the Wills, there's the equivalent of about 9 sheets on the ply shell - but I've so far used around 20 (5 packs) - I ripped sheets off on a number of occasions before I was happy with sheet-joining technique.

 

The DAS method is VERY tedious. The Wills can be frustrating, but overall, as it stands, I'm happier with the Wills shed - at the moment. The roof, windows, loading shed etc will be the same for both sheds, so it all comes down to how the painting goes.

 

One advantage of plastic sheeting is that, provided you can get the stone pattern you need, the sheet method IS far quicker and more controlled. I haven't included the time to MAKE the DAS bricks in the comparison, and it does get a bit boring.

 

However, at the end of the day, I've really enjoyed everything I've done - and I've learned a lot, so that's a big plus point. I'll leave you guys out there to make up your own minds on which you prefer. I think both sheds will get used - though not at the same time!!

 

Btw, I only have 2 pencil sharpeners in my collection. I MUST try harder!!

 

Jeff

Edited August 8, 2017 by Physicsman

[MarshLane]

Hi Rich.

 

You'd have had a reply 20 minutes ago if my internet access hadn't crashed. So, here goes (I managed to copy my reply before the crash)....

 

 

Good sets of questions, Rich, and a bit tricky to answer all of them!

 

I've a day-by-day photographic record of everything that's been done on KL2 since the first wood was cut for the first L-girder on 24th August, 2015. I think it currently runs to around 4000ish images. So I can look back and get an idea of the time spent on all the different tasks (the most consuming being the 150+ hours on the damned walls!)

 

If we consider just the bricklaying, as each ply shell took a similar time to construct.....

 

DAS bricklaying lasted (still not quite finished, ~ 99% done) about 15 days.

 

Total time on the Wills sheets is currently around 10 days.

 

BUT, I didn't make any cock-ups with the DAS, it being a "proven"(!!!!!!!!!!!) technology. With the Wills, there's the equivalent of about 9 sheets on the ply shell - but I've so far used around 20 (5 packs) - I ripped sheets off on a number of occasions before I was happy with sheet-joining technique.

 

The DAS method is VERY tedious. The Wills can be frustrating, but overall, as it stands, I'm happier with the Wills shed - at the moment. The roof, windows, loading shed etc will be the same for both sheds, so it all comes down to how the painting goes.

 

One advantage of plastic sheeting is that, provided you can get the stone pattern you need, the sheet method IS far quicker and more controlled. I haven't included the time to MAKE the DAS bricks in the comparison, and it does get a bit boring.

 

However, at the end of the day, I've really enjoyed everything I've done - and I've learned a lot, so that's a big plus point. I'll leave you guys out there to make up your own minds on which you prefer. I think both sheds will get used - though not at the same time!!

 

Btw, I only have 2 pencil sharpeners in my collection. I MUST try harder!!

 

Jeff

 

 

Hi Jeff,

Interesting response, thanks for taking the time to type it up!  The secret, from the sounds of it, lies in getting get embossed sheeting in the pattern you need it, and getting the join to look right.  Im assuming from what you've said that the embossed sheeting is far less boring/repetitive!

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the penultimate statement tho - you enjoyed it, and learned, so its been a worthwhile exercise, plus its given all of us reading/watching along an insight as to how to do things!  When I did my O gauge shed build, I joined the brickwork sheets edge to etch, and with brickwork it looked ok, but having seen how you've done the stone work on here, I think I could actually do a better job of it now!

 

Well done - and carry on regardless!!!!

 

Rich

 

PS - Given your last statement, this link may help http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/pb/Office-Depot-Pencil-Sharpener-2-Hole-Aluminium/id=3337757&pr=Q28/ 

[Physicsman]

No significant posts today, though a fair amount of work has been done on the shed. At a casual glance you may not notice any differences, so no pics!

 

I'm going to start work on the roof over the next day or so. Learning from "experience", I've also decided to build the internal loading dock as a separate entity as it was a damned nuisance working round it when fitting the windows.

 

More updates when appropriate.

 

Jeff

[Physicsman]

A little bit of work done, though it's a moon-imaging period so a lot of time is being spent on that.

 

Pics show a selection of "tiles" ready for fitting, 4 rows in place on one half-section of the roof, additional roof supports fitted to the ply shell and an end view (office end).

 

 

 

 

 

Jeff

 

[67A]

Hi Jeff,

 

Just catching up, I have to say the goods shed looks............erm..........GOOD!!!! Nah, its much better than that, good effort that man.

 

I have been busy repainting 14 private owner 4,5,7&8 plank wagons into unfitted grey. Found out Bachmann have introduced a really strange chassis system with 5 component parts for the framework and brake gear and then they bleeding glue it in!

[Physicsman]

Evening Mike.

 

I noticed you'd been improvising with the coil wagons. You are certainly keeping yourself busy!

 

Funny thing, railway modelling. There are those who can enjoy a railway with no scenery and just track and trains, those that love building - and who cares about a layout, those who just like fiddling..... No wonder we never get finished - there are endless possibilities.

 

Hope you are enjoying the Bachmann creations!! Me? I must admit I'm due a break from the bricks!

 

Jeff

[Physicsman]

It's nearly 2.30am and I'm currently sat outside in the observatory waiting for the moon to reach 35 degrees altitude, then imaging can begin. Very clear, so I'm also keeping an eye out for the occasional Perseid meteor.

 

Modelling will be very intermittent over the next week, though I hope to get most of the stonework finished, painted and the roof on by next weekend. Updates when there's something worth showing.

 

You can, of course, discuss related matters on here....

 

Jeff

[MarshLane]

It's nearly 2.30am and I'm currently sat outside in the observatory waiting for the moon to reach 35 degrees altitude, then imaging can begin. Very clear, so I'm also keeping an eye out for the occasional Perseid meteor.

 

Modelling will be very intermittent over the next week, though I hope to get most of the stonework finished, painted and the roof on by next weekend. Updates when there's something worth showing.

 

You can, of course, discuss related matters on here....

 

Jeff

 

 

Hi Jeff

Did you see anything worth waiting up for???

 

Im going to have a go a building a stone work bridge in O gauge, and going to give your DAS way a try, so I'm off to re-read several posts that has discussed it in the past!

 

Rich

[Physicsman]

Evening Rich.

 

I didn't see a single Perseid- and I normally spot quite a few. Then again, I was concentrating on the moon, with over 60Gb of data recorded in a 2 hour period. That'll take a couple of days to process.

 

Good luck with your DAS bridge. Let's see some photos as it progresses.

 

And Steve (Ramrig), I haven't forgotten about your Derbyshire walling....

 

Jeff

[MarshLane]

Evening Rich.

I didn't see a single Perseid- and I normally spot quite a few. Then again, I was concentrating on the moon, with over 60Gb of data recorded in a 2 hour period. That'll take a couple of days to process.

Good luck with your DAS bridge. Let's see some photos as it progresses.

And Steve (Ramrig), I haven't forgotten about your Derbyshire walling....

Jeff

Thanks will do! Presume you were videoing? It would take my 36 megapixel Nikon D800 DSLR 1,335 photos to get to 60GB! Hope your pleased with what you got?

 

Rich

[Physicsman]

Bit off topic, but I'm sure Physicsman won't mind!!...

 

I use specialised planetary cameras that take hundreds of images per second in an attempt to beat the distortion created by the fluctuating atmosphere. A typical capture of 4000 frames, taking around 20s, can be over 1Gb. The resulting frames constitute a "video" and have to be processed to pick out the clear frames - I typically use about 5% of those taken.

 

It's a real challenge to obtain high resolution images, and, as with railway modelling, brilliant fun. I'll post a couple of pics on here later.

 

Normal scratchbuilding service will soon resume!!

 

Jeff

[PeterBB]

Bit off topic, but I'm sure Physicsman won't mind!!...

 

I use specialised planetary cameras that take hundreds of images per second in an attempt to beat the distortion created by the fluctuating atmosphere. A typical capture of 4000 frames, taking around 20s, can be over 1Gb. The resulting frames constitute a "video" and have to be processed to pick out the clear frames - I typically use about 5% of those taken.

 

It's a real challenge to obtain high resolution images, and, as with railway modelling, brilliant fun. I'll post a couple of pics on here later.

 

Normal scratchbuilding service will soon resume!!

 

Jeff

 

Look forward to the pictures.

[Physicsman]

Here you go Peter, Rich and anyone else who is interested. I won't bore you with technical details....

 

Moon_040810 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch.tiff

 

Moon_043535 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch 8.tiff

 

Moon_035014 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch 22.tiff

 

Jeff

[Killybegs]

Very impressive Jeff and, now that we are on fibre, they download in a blink of an eye!

[Ramrig]

And Steve (Ramrig), I haven't forgotten about your Derbyshire walling....

 

Jeff

 

Thanks Jeff. Looking forward to seeing it. No rush though

 

Steve

[MarshLane]

Here you go Peter, Rich and anyone else who is interested. I won't bore you with technical details....

 

Moon_040810 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch.tiff

 

Moon_043535 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch 8.tiff

 

Moon_035014 J4L crop PSPcur_stitch 22.tiff

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff,

Superb imagery. Very nice, I'll not start questioning the technical details or we'll take this thread moons away from where it should be! Oh ... hold on .....

 

Very nice to see tho - thanks.

 

Rich

Edited August 15, 2017 by MarshLane