RMweb Premium Bogie Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2020 Bun - that's luxury. At my Bunnings the sausage comes with a handful of gravel. 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Because when (not if) it stops working it gives me a fighting chance of finding out why and fixing it! Hi UDJ I might be untidy but should things go wrong all wires are labeled and in my pad of information is the wire number, what colour it is, where it starts and where it finishes. So it is organised sort of. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 2, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: all wires are labeled That's the most important bit. Unless I can see both ends of a wire at the same time, every wire has a label at each end. They're also colour coded by function, e.g. track power, accessory power, etc. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted February 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2020 23 hours ago, St Enodoc said: That's the most important bit. Unless I can see both ends of a wire at the same time, every wire has a label at each end. They're also colour coded by function, e.g. track power, accessory power, etc. None of my wires are labelled. Every wire is colour coded to one of six different buses... black & red for the up, green and white for the down, blue and yellow for all the accessories. Plus orange from each point motor switch to its frog. If I add anything electrical to the layout it just gets connected to the nearest wire of the same colour. Makes life SO much easier... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Chamby said: None of my wires are labelled. Every wire is colour coded to one of six different buses... black & red for the up, green and white for the down, blue and yellow for all the accessories. Plus orange from each point motor switch to its frog. If I add anything electrical to the layout it just gets connected to the nearest wire of the same colour. Makes life SO much easier... My colour coding is slightly different - for example, all track power is red and black but there are three separate power buses, so each track power wire carries a label stating whether it belongs to the Up, Down or Yard bus (Branch and Terminus buses will come later too). Frog wires are green (of course) and are labelled according to the point motor they belong to. The accessory bus is clear twin speaker wire - arguably, I don't need to label that but I do anyway out of habit. Analogue point motor feeds are brown and blue - again, they are labelled according to the motor concerned. Still to be installed are uncouplers (white and white/black) and signals (probably pink and grey). Yellow is used for various miscellaneous circuits such as the line clear releases on the lever frame. I've still got violet and cream up my sleeve, not to mention a further selection of bi-coloured wire. It all works for me. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2020 When I worked for Marconi's I had to inspect the wiring of the items we were selling to our customers. Some would be up to a thousand connections, 500 wires on one cable form and they would all be pink. Labeling was the only way to identify them. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted February 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2020 Clive, thought you might be interested to see my under-board wiring in comparison to yours... I have a thing about hanging wires, having accidentally caught them too often and yanked something out as a result. I now use binder spines 'hot-glued' to the baseboard's underside, to hold everything tight but still leave them accessible if necessary: As St Enodoc says, "It works for me". I only wish I could keep things on top of the boards as tidy! 7 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, Chamby said: Clive, thought you might be interested to see my under-board wiring in comparison to yours... I have a thing about hanging wires, having accidentally caught them too often and yanked something out as a result. I now use binder spines 'hot-glued' to the baseboard's underside, to hold everything tight but still leave them accessible if necessary: As St Enodoc says, "It works for me". I only wish I could keep things on top of the boards as tidy! Ah But................. And that was before the signal wires went in. 10 1 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Ah But................. And that was before the signal wires went in. I feel sick with anxiety just looking at all that 4 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, woodenhead said: I feel sick with anxiety just looking at all that Why? Each section has two wires that either go straight to the track, or via the GM500 which switches the frog polarity. Each point has two wires that again go straight to the point motor or in the case of the electro-frog points via the GM500. Signals have a red and green wire from their switch. There is a common return for the point motors and another for the signals (they are DC). The few places where trains need isolating there are wires to and from the switch. Just lots of the same thing. All labeled and recorded. One day they will be cable formed. There appears to be no hurry at nearby Manby Airfield to line the pigs up on the runway ready for take off. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Why? Each section has two wires that either go straight to the track, or via the GM500 which switches the frog polarity. Each point has two wires that again go straight to the point motor or in the case of the electro-frog points via the GM500. Signals have a red and green wire from their switch. There is a common return for the point motors and another for the signals (they are DC). The few places where trains need isolating there are wires to and from the switch. Just lots of the same thing. All labeled and recorded. One day they will be cable formed. There appears to be no hurry at nearby Manby Airfield to line the pigs up on the runway ready for take off. I know it's just a couple of wires (conveniently nicked by the DCC worshippers) per track/point but the shear volume on your layout fills me with dread - this is why I keep abandoning layouts when the wiring isn't done properly. My new baseboards will not be fixed to their base so i can tip them up and work on them at a comfortable angle and height, maybe then it will approach something looking sensible. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 6, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: There appears to be no hurry at nearby Manby Airfield to line the pigs up on the runway ready for take off. According to that website the Pigs went to Oakington in 1972 (I can vouch for this as the first aeroplane I ever flew in was a Flying Pig at Oakington the same year, on a CCF field day). 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) On 04/02/2020 at 05:54, St Enodoc said: I've still got violet ... up my sleeve... Does Mrs Enodoc know about this? Edited February 6, 2020 by LNER4479 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 6, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Does Mrs Enodoc know about this? At least both their first names start with V... 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 G'day Folks The only thing I have in common with Clive's under layout pictures, is the Red and Blue boxes!!!!! manna 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 8, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2020 I cut another six strips of MDF today, which will be enough to go round the corner to the Down end of Paddington, near the tunnel mouth. While waiting for the rain to ease off before coming back indoors, I tested whether a relay coil and a LED in parallel would work off a 12V dc supply. Fortunately, they did (many thanks to Chris at work - not a railway modeller - who reminded me of Kirchhoff's Laws), so I am now confident that my proposed design for the Line Clear releases between Paddington, Porthmellyn Road, Penzance and St Enodoc will work. So should the design for the "First-Come-First-Served Single Line Tokenless Block" that I intend to use between St Enodoc, Pentowan and Polperran. More on these another time. 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 8, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2020 Buqqer. Forgot to set the TV to record the Six Nations matches before I went to bed last night. What a silly bunt. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted February 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2020 Neither game was spectacular. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted February 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2020 The weather won the Calcutta Cup game. Paul. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 hours ago, 5BarVT said: The weather won the Calcutta Cup game. Paul. The weather down here is winning too at the moment. Warragamba Dam, (one of?) the largest in NSW, has gone from 43% to 61% of capacity in a week. 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2020 I know you needed rain but..that is rondonculous! Snow due in Leeds this week...luckily I am not there! Baz 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2020 I think it was Terry Pratchett who wrote about a character who was a rain god but didn't know it and was convinced it rained everywhere whereas in reality it just rained wherever he was. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, teaky said: I think it was Terry Pratchett who wrote about a character who was a rain god but didn't know it and was convinced it rained everywhere whereas in reality it just rained wherever he was. That was Rob McKenna in the Hitch Hickers Guide to the Galaxy. https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Rob_McKenna 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 We've been having Type 232 rain. M'Lady sent me out last night in the worst of it to lash down the plastic panel roof to an old greenhouse. It's old and useless but she still loves it (the greenhouse, not me). 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted February 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: That was Rob McKenna in the Hitch Hickers Guide to the Galaxy. https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Rob_McKenna I had a feeling it wasn't TP. Cheers Keith. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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