Caley Jim Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 And, if you look in the background of this Caledonian Railway photo, you can see carts parked, with shafts turned-up, out in the (terrible Scottish) weather http://photopolis.dundeecity.gov.uk/wc1023.htm At many/most rural stations, at least on the GWR, local deliveries and collections were carried out by the Cartage Agent, a local carrier under contract to the railway company. Normally their horses and vehicles would be kept at their own premises remote from the station. Wordie and Co were the Cartage Agents for the Caledonian Railway. I have a trial etch in 2MM scale for one of their flatbed lorries waiting to be put together. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I have a few cartage horses around Penlan (the layout) it occurs to me I haven't provided any troughs for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I have a Dapol gunpowder van in LSWR livery, which I weathered down a bit. It is a nice livery but I wonder about the authenticity of the van, as they seem to offer it in numerous other liveries. Can anyone shed some light on the origins of the van Dapol have modelled, please? Is it a 'generic' van or was it something many railways bought 'off the shelf'?Whatever the answer, I like it and it looks convincing, so I will be keeping it in my pre-grouping trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 ....... Is it a 'generic' van or was it something many railways bought 'off the shelf'? Many iron gunpowder vans were very similar to one another Both the CR and the NBR (& probably others) had such vans which were almost identical to a GWR iron mink, but without the ventilators. The prototype :- and the model, from a 2MM Scale Association iron mink kit :- Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Dapol GPV is actually the old Honby Dublo wagon which was stretched by 4mm to fit a standard 10ft wb by 17ft 6in chassis. It is based on the BR version of which some were built with handbrake only and Morton brake on a 9ft wb while later ones were built on a 10ft wb chassis with 8-shoe vacuum brakes but still with a 16ft 6in body. As Caley Jim says above, many companies used vans based on the GWR Iron Mink which was 9ft wb and 16ft over headstocks although others built their own designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Locally the horse buses and horse trams were privately run. A horse trough was actually built into the retaining wall of the goods yard (on the road side, the whole yard and station being built on an embankment).Sadly this feature was lost when a retail park was built on the old goods shed site. Heeley horse tram terminus The tram sheds (also lost recently despite many protests) were on a side road just beyond the Red Lion. Heeley Station is on the right of the picture. Looking towards the station showing the retaining wall and a few select advertising posters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 A most entertaining thread Cornamuse; thank you - and thanks also to contributors of the illustrations. Another question - has anyone (such as an ingenious Nuremburg toymaker) constructed a working model shunting horse ? dh PS I suppose it would be easier if the horse wore a skirt. ISTR from childhood : horses did sometimes pull railway delivery carts wearing a tarpaulin protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Another question - has anyone (such as an ingenious Nuremburg toymaker) constructed a working model shunting horse ? dh . I realise that clichés and gimmicks are the horror of 'proper' layouts, which, these days, seem to suffer increasingly from depopulation, but I like a bit of fun. I liked the HO moving cyclist that came to the market last year, and I'd love a 4mm scale moving horse! I think this is because, having grown up with a stack of my father's '50s RMs, I was very taken with those carton suggestions for animated vignettes, featuring articulated figures; The Living Lineside, I think they were called. Does anyone remember them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Whilst researching for a potential model I found the planning application drawings for a building adjoining the specific station which I had known as the Coal Merchants premises were actually built as the railways cart sheds and stables. Possibly in many other locations similar buildings did exist till late but in other uses. As regards horses it was also established (at a different station on the same route) that the railway owned a field on the edge of the town, this was approx quarter of a mile from the station and one of the closest bits of open land, presumably this was used as a paddock for their horses. On this particular route there is little evidence of Railway horse drawn transport after grouping, deliveries etc being dealt with by local carriers. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I realise that clichés and gimmicks are the horror of 'proper' layouts, which, these days, seem to suffer increasingly from depopulation, but I like a bit of fun. I liked the HO moving cyclist that came to the market last year, and I'd love a 4mm scale moving horse! I think this is because, having grown up with a stack of my father's '50s RMs, I was very taken with those carton suggestions for animated vignettes, featuring articulated figures; The Living Lineside, I think they were called. Does anyone remember them? I remember those ! "The Living Lineside" by 'Dax' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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