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The Sheep Chronicles : These are the continuing adventures of a sheep, the Works Forecat, George the mischievous apprentice,and their official photographer, Norman Lockhart, connoisseur of traditional British breakfasts and well filled baps.


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1 hour ago, Gilbert said:

Absolutely...get a grip man....

 

30 minutes ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

Absolutely not.

Very helpful chaps.

 

The clincher is the price. As I've said in another place, that doesn't look like good value for a four-wheeled wagon to me.

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1 hour ago, St Enodoc said:

 

Very helpful chaps.

 

The clincher is the price. As I've said in another place, that doesn't look like good value for a four-wheeled wagon to me.

 

 

Morning John. 

 

Whilst I can't entirely disagree with you, I think the Roadvan offers a lot for the money, potentially setting a new standard....

Mine were pre-ordered so I did benefit from a reduced price on them. That said, I do intend to buy a couple more and they will obviously be full price. 

 

If we look at the average price of Bachmann rtr wagons these are generally around the £20+ mark. The more recent offerings from Hornby of the more specialised wagons are similar in price. 

The difference is that these are rarely offered at the price as per manufacturer. Discounts apply. Kernow obviously won't discount these being the manufacturer/commissioner. Why would they ? 

 

Mine are on the way and are eagerly awaited. Looking at Stu's picture earlier I do not anticipate any degree of disappointment. 

 

That said, I am far from expert ( leave that Muz)  on such matters but I shall, as ever, work on the basis that if it looks right......... 

 

 

Rob. 

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3 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

 

 

Morning John. 

 

Whilst I can't entirely disagree with you, I think the Roadvan offers a lot for the money, potentially setting a new standard....

Mine were pre-ordered so I did benefit from a reduced price on them. That said, I do intend to buy a couple more and they will obviously be full price. 

 

If we look at the average price of Bachmann rtr wagons these are generally around the £20+ mark. The more recent offerings from Hornby of the more specialised wagons are similar in price. 

The difference is that these are rarely offered at the price as per manufacturer. Discounts apply. Kernow obviously won't discount these being the manufacturer/commissioner. Why would they ? 

 

Mine are on the way and are eagerly awaited. Looking at Stu's picture earlier I do not anticipate any degree of disappointment. 

 

That said, I am far from expert ( leave that Muz)  on such matters but I shall, as ever, work on the basis that if it looks right......... 

 

 

Rob. 

Thanks Rob. If this were the only RTR Southern brake van on the market I'd probably buy one.

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47 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Thanks Rob. If this were the only RTR Southern brake van on the market I'd probably buy one.

Mind you, had you not already got a Bachmann one, the current prices are comparable.

 

A quick Google came up with a range from £31.95 to £38.95 according to version and old/new stock.

 

Hornby's excellent "New Van" in the low twenties therefore represents something of a bargain.

 

John 

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25 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Thanks Rob. If this were the only RTR Southern brake van on the market I'd probably buy one.

 

I'm not saying anyone is better that the other but the Roadvan is a product that seems to reflects today's approach to producing a new wagon. 

 

The Hornby LSWR offering is top notch, setting aside the issues over the brown shades.....

 

The Bachmann pill box has some issues with rooves on certain versions so I understand. 

 

Neither issues bother me. I'm easily pleased. 

 

But I'm not ( says he tempting fate.....) anticipating such issues with the Roadvan so perhaps the extra shillings are worth it...

 

 

Still look good on a light railway...........

 

Rob. 

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Brake vans, just like locomotives, tend to bring out the Half-Noah tendency in us. So we pick up an example of each type that is modelled for our chosen company. In practice, for the average branchline pickup goods, the same brake was probably used, day in, day out, because the crew at the junction liked it.  

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Certainly, in relation to  the layouts I knock together, the emergence of older, pre-grouping types is most welcome. 

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10 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

'Tis very nice but as I already have one Hornby and one Bachmann SR brake van, and there is only one daily return freight between Wadebridge and Pentowan, a third would be rather over the top. Wouldn't it?...

However that only brings the total to three including the Road Van and that is clearly inadequate for a Brakevan tour.  So obviously you have a need to buy more so you clearly need to place  appropriate vote TODAY in the mini-poll on the Nod to Brent thread ;) .

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69664-a-nod-to-brent-a-friendly-thread-filled-with-frivolity-cream-teas-and-pasties-longing-for-the-happy-days-in-the-south-hams-1947/page/1667/#comments

 

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24 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

However that only brings the total to three including the Road Van and that is clearly inadequate for a Brakevan tour.  So obviously you have a need to buy more so you clearly need to place  appropriate vote TODAY in the mini-poll on the Nod to Brent thread ;) .

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69664-a-nod-to-brent-a-friendly-thread-filled-with-frivolity-cream-teas-and-pasties-longing-for-the-happy-days-in-the-south-hams-1947/page/1667/#comments

 

Apart from the two Suvvern vans, I've got plenty of Toads and also a BR 20T van that could, subject to demand, be used for a brake van tour (including the Wheal Veronica branch and, eventually, the goods-only leg of the Treloggan Junction triangle).

 

Suitable motive power would be a couple of 45xx/4575s, I think (or possibly gas-turbines 1800018100 top-and-tail...).

 

PS I've already voted in the wagon mini-poll, thanks!

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Just to be awkward, I have an outside framed GWR brake on the go and an ex Cambrian Rly van to follow.

I don't think that either will be available RTR anytime soon.

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How accidents happen............

 

I had to.....needed to, go to the train shop today to buy two lengths of peco plain track and some associated fish plates.......

 

I took the new Prairie with me as it has a chip fitted but I wanted to see how it ran on DCC.........

 

It was good purchase from ebay. 

 

I don't have a DCC thingy....the shop did. 

 

It ran a lot better on DCC than on DC....

 

Whilst there I thought I would have a wander about and that is when things went slightly astray............

 

 

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13 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

It ran a lot better on DCC than on DC....

Which isn't always the case, and fitting a chip is not the cure for all ills. 

 

But if you looked into DCC and talked to other users, I think you might find, as I have in over 20 years of DCC, that it can be almost all things to all modellers, short of making either tea or toast. Even your small, bijou layouts could derive some operational benefit from the versatility DCC offers, and a relatively modest outlay would secure that. 

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You've gone over to the dark side.

 

The Dark, Cold, Complicated side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've bought a Jinty.

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6 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

The clincher is the price. As I've said in another place, that doesn't look like good value for a four-wheeled wagon to me.

 

We all get to make our own judgements on value - and it gets harder as we get older and we mentally value things based on their prices from long ago.

 

The problem for manufacturers isn't just price increases, but that we tend to judge price based on size - which doesn't take into account that the research, CAD, and production costs don't scale based on size the way we expect final prices to.

 

Anyway, for fun - and to show how much of a bargain UK modellers typically are getting - some prices from the North American market (prices based on Athearn, Rapido, ScaleTrains - the only 3 regularly tooling new items)

 

Average freight car (goods wagon) - $50 / $55 - so about £40+VAT - £48

 

Caboose (brake van) - $100 - about £73+VAT - £87

 

Passenger car - $85 to $150

 

And you don't even want to consider steam loco prices...

 

(all except the steam are based on new tooling - there are older items available but they start at $30 for a Hornby Railroad style model - or about £30)

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