chrisf Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Is the last poster a civil servant? His post is in triplicate ... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Here's the clip; turn the speakers up and shut your eyes.... I'm not usually a fan of sound locos but that is something different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stafford junction Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 here is the idea that I was discussing with a dad and his two sons who were admiring Stokesay at ally pally last weekend it is an idea for all parents and kids to get involved with model railways to further their education RAILWAY MODELLINGfor education to be used for emails.docx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 here is the idea that I was discussing with a dad and his two sons who were admiring Stokesay at ally pally last weekend it is an idea for all parents and kids to get involved with model railways to further their education I think perhaps you need to look at the National Curriculum, H&S legislation as it applies to schools, and the skill set of the average teacher. And perhaps a bit of research to see how many secondary school girls (or boys) and teachers would have the interest to do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2015 here is the idea that I was discussing with a dad and his two sons who were admiring Stokesay at ally pally last weekend it is an idea for all parents and kids to get involved with model railways to further their education Whilst you have found broad subjects you would need to start linking them to various aspects of the national curriculum rather to sell this to most teachers. The other issue that you would run into is that most secondary schools have very limited linking between different curriculum areas. A broad linked continuous curriculum is more the preserve of primary schools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Any more pictures please? Bizarre thread everything from rail passes , oyster cards and now H&S What about the Trains please ???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethashenden Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Any more pictures please? Bizarre thread everything from rail passes , oyster cards and now H&S What about the Trains please ???? All I managed to take pictures of was my own train set. So here you go. Empire Mills And there was far too much of this crap... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Any more pictures please? Bizarre thread everything from rail passes , oyster cards and now H&S What about the Trains please ???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5OBHnhVnJg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2009 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 No H&S nonsense or ticketing issues for me thankfully, just the enjoyment of the best Ally Pally show for many years. Some splendid layouts - Star Lane (which I've followed avidly on this forum) was quite brilliant. Simple, yet very ingenious, skillfully and humourously operated and completely riveting. Excellent selection of stock. Was pleased to see Fisherton Sarum again and I thought Tanners Hill, although not my era being a modern NSE kind of thing, was also excellent. There seemed to be a much higher number of overseas layouts than usual - or maybe they were just more prominent? N gauge Merchant Navy and N class looked superb in the dusty Bachmann / Farish display case, as did the new E4, albeit suffering from some grotesque errors of scale - it's roughly twice the size it should be for heaven's sake! Dapol had various Terriers on display - I know it's taken an absolute pasting from some on here - but it looked excellent to my untutored eye and I'm sure it will sell by the bucket load. There was even evidence of the retooled n gauge 33. The Hornby stand was a bit odd and lifeless as others have said. I never really pay that much attention to it, being (as you'll have probably gathered) an N gauge sort of chap, but this year I did have a nose around just to see if there was anything in the air about future (n) announcements. There wasn't and it had the air of a party where all the exciting people had either left a year ago or had never turned up. There seemed to be a lot more open space this year - I'm not sure if there were fewer stands or if it was because for the first time I went on a Sunday morning, as opposed to a Satuday. The fewer people / extra space was a pleasure. I didn't even miss the brutal hand to hand combat just to get close to anything on rails. The talks were good too - I dipped in and out of 2 or 3 in between lengthy sojourns at Star Lane. Hope it's as good as this next year. Well done organisers, RMweb, BRM etc. M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardS Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi took some pictures of Sandford and Banwell P4. See them on flickr at www.flickr.com/photos/richardjslipper/sets/72157651653968411 Here's a taster. Picture quality not perfect as taken on small phone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Nice layout, but why is everything so clean,even the bridge has no soot on it?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Nice layout, but why is everything so clean,even the bridge has no soot on it?. I think it might only have just been built But seriously you are quite right - it was in need of a spot of weathering although it boasted some incredible lineside detailing, had an authentic track layout with correct signalling and the trains carried on running beautifully even when I spent a bit of time looking at it (and said it was running nicely - which usually tempts fate). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think it might only have just been built But seriously you are quite right - it was in need of a spot of weathering although it boasted some incredible lineside detailing, had an authentic track layout with correct signalling and the trains carried on running beautifully even when I spent a bit of time looking at it (and said it was running nicely - which usually tempts fate). Did you notice the rather interesting construction of the layout's legs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianp Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I am interested to see the mutterings about people who insist on walking around exhibitions with rucksacks, barging into others as if it didn't matter. They barged into me too, oblivious. Maybe an etiquette guide should be drawn up. For visitors it might include having a wash. A wash that day, not earlier in the month. Same goes for clothes too. Wash them as well. For commercial exhibitors, any chance you could stop grumbling so loudly about everything to do with running a stall? It's quite off-putting. Also, any chance that if you want to have a natter with mates from other stalls and catch up on things, you could do it somewhere other than right in front of your stall, so I could actually view the goods on offer and not have to manoeuvre my way past three people? Most irritating. Do you want to sell stuff or not? These comments only apply to a small minority by the way. Most people were perfectly civilised. The uncivilised have just stuck in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 For commercial exhibitors, any chance you could stop grumbling so loudly about everything to do with running a stall? Isn't that part of the entertainment? Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Drove down on the Sunday for this years Ally Pally as per usual with Natalie. Weather was horrible on the way down with heavy rain and a lot of spray causing poor visibility. We arrived safely and I personally - Natalie can speak for herself, but I believe she also had a good day - enjoyed the day. Got a few bits I was after - replica parts and a DVD, as well as a few other items. The time spent seeing layouts was sadly curtailed by my back and the lack of sleep the night before. It is one of the things I wish was more like the NEC with regards the venue, as Bartrams at the NEC provide for £15 a day mobility scooter hire, which is a great help i find for the Warley show (and Comic Con too), though by next year I'll have a working scooter again most likely. Upon deciding to go round and take some photos I discovered that whilst I'd packed the camera, I had unfortunately left beyond the memory cards!! do'h! Thankfully I always have a smartphone with me and the Galaxy S4 takes reasonable photos, but not ideal. Looking forward now to the next shows we'll try to attend, most likely EM Guage Society show in May and DEMU Showcase. So, overall no complaints from me for the day. Can't comment on food as I always take my own (easier to stick closer to the diet that way!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale7JB Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I took a few shots of some of my engines on Merney Junction on the Sunday afternoon, a little gratuitous perhaps.... JB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I can guarantee that that 'Buck' will have been cleaned by the time it appears on Asenby St Peter next year.... Is that the number on Jim's example, or the box lid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Line Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Well what a weekend....Having now slept for the best part of Monday the un-pack begins this morning and it will be time for tea Wed’ before its all checked off and back in its rightful place. After the electrical debacle that was Warley (see Long Line comments in that thread) last Dec; I put 100 hours+ into the wiring to ensure us of better running, and by 5pm Fri we were assured of 4 trains running at once and up to 9 on the layout at a time. I had hoped to spend some of this time on the moor sections scenery base, but it was not to be with only a little progress between shows being made, which brought some interesting comments from a few visitors: along the lines of – don’t finish it we like to see the developing model across its length so we can see how it was built...something for me and others to perhaps consider in future? This outing included a lot of new scratch, kit and RTR; detailed repainted and 3 linked stock. Many of which I had to ‘rake-up’ as we went so the numbers of trains increased steadily over the weekend to sun lunch by which time we had 18 plodding about, thank you to all those who asked questions about and commented on the trains, after all their the true stars of our show! As usual LL was 1st through the door Fri morning and last out Sun eve’, and I can’t honestly see this ever changing. As others have already I would like to accordingly thank the security team at AP who were very appreciative of our requirements and placed no obstacles in our way. A second set of ascending thank you goes to: Nick Freezer for ‘sticking with us’ and for fighting the HSE brigade to nearly give us all the length we needed; to the wider MRC team for their assistance, comments and tea room duties. It’s always appreciated when you have a large and busy team at a show if the organizers look after your lads (and occasional lasses) and finally to Warner’s for financially sustaining this important part of our hobbies living history. A separate thank you goes to the visitor, especially those who took the time to study The Long Line and too talk with and comment back to the team, never feel that these words are glibly disregarded, I do consider all opinions in my many and ongoing LL musings. As for the show: access and parking ok first thing every day; electric went on Fri morning and stayed on so no problems there; the toilets were clean; lunch was ok- Sundays especially; the traders had no GWR toads in N and the manufacturers don’t feel that we need any? And as somebody once said in a film...that’s all I got to day about that! (As its all I got to see). Only comments I can make were: 1/ With the electric going off 10 min’s after close Sun- layouts with PC’s and other kit to ‘back-up’ may need to start and close down before show closing time if this can’t be extended in future- it’s on all day Fri whilst we build up so why not for an hour whilst we strip down? The electricians certainly did not start pulling the looms for at least that long after close in the west room. 2/ As ever Nick and several other MRC folk made numerous visits to us, to see that all was ok (railway modellers you see), but apart from the odd dash past or PA call by Sam (thank----you!) we saw or heard nowt of the Warner’s team after booking in. And as anyone in business would confirm, that’s even less of an excuse. 3/ The Mic levels in the lecture theatre may have been OK for the audience but its location meant it intruded too much on the show, even the chap placed at the far end of LL (which became known this weekend as the ‘Kyber Pass’ – as rarely did the public walk around that end to the bin) 160ft away could clearly hear each speaker. I’d make so bold as to move this to an extremity of the hall and not have it in the middle, remembering that this is an added gimmick (which seemed more to be being used as a product marketing tool than a school) and is not the be-and-end-all of a show which surely must and should be an exhibition of railway modelling- in this instance manifest by the exhibiting layouts and demonstrators? 4/ Warner’s- Plastic sleeves for ID cards and bin bags cost little so if you’re not going to provide them in the welcome pack, tell the exhibitors and we will happily bring our own, such pettiness leaves a bad taste in the mouth after spending the best part of 3 solid weeks preparing for and running at your shows FOC! To the LL team I would say this: A huge thank you, nobody will have noticed but be assured I did, that you worked mostly without breaks (save for lunch and that map incident?), drinking your tea on the hoof and keeping as many trains as possible moving over the entire weekend. Unaided and indeed hampered by the lack of working signals nor a signalmen in the Castle Hill box and using a new and complex system of train control which mimicked the real thing and so required a lot of concentration and spacial awareness on each drivers part. Work and illness non attendees compounded by my decision not use the assistance kindly offered by MRC on Sunday, as I felt it would be too much to learn on the back-foot whilst live, made the job harder but I think we all left happy and had enjoyed the experience and a good walk! Conclusion- Train tables, signals, more men, more trains, more wiring, more scenery, more energy, more hours in the day...less time spent in taxis or traffic and more in the pub...cracking show, thoroughly enjoyed... For me it’s back down to earth on Thurs’ as I start humping and shifting and walking the car parks at York for 5 days. But as one who occasionally gets to be assisted.... I condone wholeheartedly getting involved on occasion at the other end of the business.....and long may it continue. Dear Boris: Visitors to your fair village may not be aware or appreciate that: real money is not allowed on your transport system, or that you have to close an entire dual carriageway to let 2 gangs of men fill in a couple of opposing holes several hundred yards apart, causing absolute chaos. Forward me a return travel warrant to you and I will happily give you a swift kick in the unmentionables on behalf of everyone your city inconvenienced this weekend. PS-Best wishes in the forthcoming. As I started out by saying .....what a weekend Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Did you notice the rather interesting construction of the layout's legs? Yes Tony - sorry if I forgot to point that out to you when eulogising about the rest of the layout's attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yes Tony - sorry if I forgot to point that out to you when eulogising about the rest of the layout's attributes. Colin and I enthused so much we were allowed to handle a sample leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Colin and I enthused so much we were allowed to handle a sample leg. I'll have to try that out with 'er over the road... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
station cat Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll have to try that out with 'er over the road... Bet she tells you to leg it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Connor Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I've always had a soft spot for Alley Pally although I still miss the atmosphere of the Central Hall Easter Shows, even after all these years. Personally, I feel that there is far too much in the way of proprietary motive power and stock evident on layouts these days, although given the splendid standard of current out-of-the box items, this is quite understandable. However, I think there was something to suit most tastes amongst the layouts and it was nice to see the Gauge 1 live-steam circuit in the main hall. It certainly proved popular with my grandson, as with many other visitors, and the locomotives were doubtlessly a joy to behold. It is not for me to comment on the quality of work produced by fellow modellers, but I found one or two of the displays to be of particular interest. The chap with the hand-built O gauge locos in the smaller hall had some real gems. The North London 4-4-0T, the Devonshire Street Pot and the Millwall Extension Railway pair to name but a few. He even had a representation of the West India Dock battery electric shunter in its earlier form before its cab was modified. I would have liked to see more specialist trade stands, as I rely on these to purchase items such as chimneys, domes and nameplates etc. I know that such items can easily be purchased on-line but the idea of sitting in front of a computer screen lacks the appeal of buying them at shows. Having said that, I found the show entertaining and enjoyable (as did my grandson) and, after all, that is what an exhibition is meant to be. Full marks to the Model Railway Club for organising it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Nice layout, but why is everything so clean,even the bridge has no soot on it?. That's because it's the GWR who probably had their "servants" washing the bridges and scrubbing the ballast Funnily enough I've noticed that some secondary railways in France were still remarkably clean even when they closed. With only two or three trains a day, the weather cleaning them almost as fast as the occasional steam locos were dirtying them and a life of maybe only thirty or forty years they simply never got a chance to become mucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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