BurscoughCurves Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 8 hours ago, jrb said: Pete, I've only just found this thread but have spent a good few hours over the last couple of days reading it all, and all I can say is it's superb! Having lived in this area for almost all my life I think I'm qualified to say you've captured the atmosphere perfectly. Your mill buildings are stunning, and are what I'm hoping to achieve on my own layout. So much so, I'm about to start re-designing one of the buildings for it, using yours as inspiration! JRB Hi JRB, Thanks for the kind words, I’ve just started looking through your posts and you’ve got some great buildings on the go- I’m both impressed and jealous! Atmosphere is what I’m looking for. This is my first layout so I’m treating it as very much a learning curve. I love looking at buildings or locations that scream out to be modelled, and West Yorkshire has so many of them in my opinion! I’ll be looking through all of your topics shortly, it looks like first class modelling from what I’ve seen so far. Thanks again, Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hi all, A little more progress on the layout to show. Firstly I filled in a patch of scrub land between the MPD and control panel. It was one of those little jobs that I had been meaning to do for a year or so. The land was made up with deep gap Polyfilla mixed with brown acrylic, and finished with some flock and static fibres: Next some images of the small terraced row. I have just finished slating the roofs and have given them a coat of paynes grey and a dusting of talk. They look a little rough at the moment so may work on them some more. Next up is the doors and guttering/downpipes, and the rear yards of course. Continued. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurscoughCurves Posted October 13, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2019 I won't be lighting all of the interiors- I don't want a Christmas tree affect. I will add subtle lights to several rooms though. Most of the windows will have net curtains but I want a near, rear bedroom window to provide a hind of an interior. I bought a Severn Valley Models furniture kit at the Wigan show for this. The detail in these kits are excellent, if fiddly! Like most of the other interiors I have done, they will no doubt be invisible when complete! A few random images to finish: All the best, Pete 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Brilliant work, Pete. I'm not on here as much as I would like, but always drop by to see what you've managed to do and it's quite stunning. I love the atmosphere. Cheers, William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquireBev Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Echoing the comments by Ruston and jrb - fantastic work. Absolutely captures the atmosphere of West Riding mill towns. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard.h Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Excellent work, your attention to detail is first class. Your houses remind me so much of the Mill where I served my apprenticeship as an Overlooker, you had to walk past two streets of Mill Houses to get to the factory gates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurscoughCurves Posted October 14, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thank you gents, It’s so encouraging getting positive feedback; and thanks for all the likes. Just as I thought- you won’t be able to see a thing...! Pete 17 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, richard.h said: Excellent work, your attention to detail is first class. Your houses remind me so much of the Mill where I served my apprenticeship as an Overlooker, you had to walk past two streets of Mill Houses to get to the factory gates. Thanks again Richard. One question; what is an overlooker? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard.h Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BurscoughCurves said: Thanks again Richard. One question; what is an overlooker? Pete The nearest equivalent would be a foreman, Worsted Mills were split into different rooms carrying out different functions starting with carding or combing the raw wool then drawing, spinning and twisting the yarn plus some specialist departments for fancy yarns. So as an apprentice you would study for five years at college and by spending time in each department, if you qualified you would become an Overlooker and could be sent to any part of the Mill to run that section as required. Richard 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 hours ago, richard.h said: The nearest equivalent would be a foreman, Worsted Mills were split into different rooms carrying out different functions starting with carding or combing the raw wool then drawing, spinning and twisting the yarn plus some specialist departments for fancy yarns. So as an apprentice you would study for five years at college and by spending time in each department, if you qualified you would become an Overlooker and could be sent to any part of the Mill to run that section as required. Richard Thanks Richard, that’s fascinating. How was the raw wool, and later the finish product delivered to and from the factory? All by flatbed lorry I presume? Regards, Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2019 Work organisation straight out of the late eighteenth century! Brilliant, thank you, Alastair M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 hours ago, richard.h said: The nearest equivalent would be a foreman, Worsted Mills were split into different rooms carrying out different functions starting with carding or combing the raw wool then drawing, spinning and twisting the yarn plus some specialist departments for fancy yarns. So as an apprentice you would study for five years at college and by spending time in each department, if you qualified you would become an Overlooker and could be sent to any part of the Mill to run that section as required. Richard Thanks Richard, that’s fascinating. How was the raw wool, and later the finish product delivered to and from the factory? All by flatbed lorry I presume? Regards, Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 11 hours ago, richard.h said: The nearest equivalent would be a foreman, Worsted Mills were split into different rooms carrying out different functions starting with carding or combing the raw wool then drawing, spinning and twisting the yarn plus some specialist departments for fancy yarns. So as an apprentice you would study for five years at college and by spending time in each department, if you qualified you would become an Overlooker and could be sent to any part of the Mill to run that section as required. Richard Thanks Richard, that’s fascinating. How was the raw wool, and later the finish product delivered to and from the factory? All by flatbed lorry I presume? Regards, Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, BurscoughCurves said: Thanks Richard, that’s fascinating. How was the raw wool, and later the finish product delivered to and from the factory? All by flatbed lorry I presume? Regards, Pete Bales were quite often delivered by rail to good yards where presumably they would be taken by cart or lorry to the mill. Some mills did also have private sidings aswell. Because wool is quite light in nature it would frequently be carried in low sided opens and tied down and sheeted over. Quite often it was only just inside the loading gauge! By the 1950s I expect it will quite often have travelled in vans however. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard.h Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, BurscoughCurves said: Thanks Richard, that’s fascinating. How was the raw wool, and later the finish product delivered to and from the factory? All by flatbed lorry I presume? Regards, Pete Hi Pete By the time I started in the Mills (early 60s) all transport was by Lorry, the canal connection, Leeds and Liverpool had long since fallen out of use. A lot of the better quality Merino Wools came from Australia via Liverpool and then by road to the Mill. Here is a photo still taken from a video I found last week about re-opening Queensbury Tunnel, just look at the colour of the buildings, but lots of detail in there. You would normally see bales of wool processed on the ground floor because of their bulk then as the wool went through the normal manufacturing routine it would go onto smaller and smaller bobbins as it moved to the higher floors. All internal movement between departments was done by Skeps, these are woven rectangular containers and onward delivery was also with Skeps. There is a very good film titled Alberts Last Skep (Film ID YFA3852) which shows the process of making and using these and finishes with a loaded flatbed leaving the factory. I would love to have some model Skeps on my layout as every large Mill had hundreds of them but I haven't been able to find any and can't figure out how to model them, possible a 3D printer might do the job. Regards Richard 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam88 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, richard.h said: Hi Pete By the time I started in the Mills (early 60s) all transport was by Lorry, the canal connection, Leeds and Liverpool had long since fallen out of use. A lot of the better quality Merino Wools came from Australia via Liverpool and then by road to the Mill. Here is a photo still taken from a video I found last week about re-opening Queensbury Tunnel, just look at the colour of the buildings, but lots of detail in there. You would normally see bales of wool processed on the ground floor because of their bulk then as the wool went through the normal manufacturing routine it would go onto smaller and smaller bobbins as it moved to the higher floors. All internal movement between departments was done by Skeps, these are woven rectangular containers and onward delivery was also with Skeps. There is a very good film titled Alberts Last Skep (Film ID YFA3852) which shows the process of making and using these and finishes with a loaded flatbed leaving the factory. I would love to have some model Skeps on my layout as every large Mill had hundreds of them but I haven't been able to find any and can't figure out how to model them, possible a 3D printer might do the job. Regards Richard This frame shows something which I cannot recall seeing modelled, not even on finely observed models such as MMRS's Dewsbury, namely a lorry adapted to carry wool. The lorry typically had a platform over the driver's cab supported on stanchions from the chassis or front bumper. I have always assumed that this was because there was a lower weight limit for lorries in general - I don't know what it was in the sixties, seventies or earlier but I can recall ever increasing all-up weights being introduced in more recent years, 40 then 44 tonnes - perhaps as part of a harmonisation process with TIR and EU regulations. I always assumed that wool bales would be relatively low in density and thus the smaller, lighter lorries could easily cope with a simple extension. My picture from 1970 shows one such vehicle to move equipment in use at a Scout camp in the Yorkshire Dales. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Wow! A Thames Trader lorry. Haven’t seen one of those in years. Really enjoying this thread as there are many modelling cues from the late Dave Shakespeare. He would be the first to appreciate what you are creating. First class stuff. You could bolt this onto Tetleys Mills and not see the join..... Loved the girl sitting in her bedroom long before the internet and mobile phones came along. Wonderful scratch buildings, so keep it coming. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 29/09/2019 at 14:23, BurscoughCurves said: Hi JRB, Thanks for the kind words, I’ve just started looking through your posts and you’ve got some great buildings on the go- I’m both impressed and jealous! Atmosphere is what I’m looking for. This is my first layout so I’m treating it as very much a learning curve. I love looking at buildings or locations that scream out to be modelled, and West Yorkshire has so many of them in my opinion! I’ll be looking through all of your topics shortly, it looks like first class modelling from what I’ve seen so far. Thanks again, Pete First layout ? I thought it was your life’s work it’s so good. Seriously. Far better than most of us can probably ever aspire to.. Very inspirational. Well done 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Gents, Thanks for the comments. Richard H and Adam88; the information is valuable and interesting, and the images are fantastic. I'll have to put an adapted lorry on the lengthy to-do list! Richard; regarding the skeps- is this what you are referring to: Source: https://sunnybankmills.co.uk/blog/the-industry-of-farsley/ I have a friend with a 3D printer, although the CAD modelling of the weave pattern could be interesting. I would like to model and print one though. If it looks okay I could try to use it as a master and make some resin casts. If the results are ok I can send some to you if you'd like. Again- another task on the list! Gordon; I am completely open to the fact that Tetley Mills was a huge inspiration. I have taken so much from Dave Shakespeare's work, more so than any layout. It simply oozed atmosphere. You will find two characters from Dave's collection pottering about on HPS; a lovely Fairburn and the classic Barden - Tetley Mills Derby Lightweight: Must continue to cut doors out for tiny terraced houses... Best regards, Pete 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard.h Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Hi Pete That type of Skep with wheels was used internally for local transport within the Mill but more often the type of Skep shown in the video would be used. This type had slats on the bottom so that it could be wheeled around on a sack barrow plus a lid so that it could be stacked in the wharehouse until the contents were needed for the next process and this would be the type that you would see loaded onto wagons from the hoists outside the mill. If you do get anywhere with a 3d print of this item please let me know as I don't know anyone locally who could do this so I would be quite willing to contribute to the cost of producing a batch, there would normally be 10 to 20 in a single lorry load. Regards Richard 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurscoughCurves Posted October 21, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2019 Hi all, Just a quick update on the terraced rows. All properties now have front doors, and the front side of the full relief houses also have curtains. They could almost be lived in now! The gutter downspouts will hide the joins in the plastikard. I'm not sure if this will work properly, but I also had a play with a mobile app called Werble: Although I am told it never rains in Yorkshire! Thanks, Pete 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurscoughCurves Posted October 27, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2019 Hi All, I'm still banging on about the terraced houses I'm afraid! I've added gutters and downspouts to the half relief row. I stared using 2.5mm half round for the gutters but it looked a little coarse so replaced it for 2mm section which I prefer. The downspouts were made from single core copper wire salvaged from some mains cable after a factory move. The brackets are my usual soldered 0.5mm wire twisted twice around the copper. Nothing new to the technique but they look okay. All the rear row need are some basic interior details added in one of the houses (to then be illuminated), the roofs stuck on and lead flashing added. I had a clean of the track and started a running session which I enjoyed, although I do want to press on with the scenics. A shot from the session; the B1 gets a clear road: Regards, Pete 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurscoughCurves Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Hi Folks, I was intending to have progressed with more scenic work over the last few weeks but I haven't done anything. I have, however, expanded an operating schedule during lots of running sessions so I don't feel guilty for the lack of progress! I took some images over a few sessions, and because most of my recent images haven't featured many locomotives I thought I'd add a few now. So much to do but I am enjoying playing trains too much! Regards, Pete 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold lezz01 Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2019 Your layout is just stunning Pete. Regards Lez. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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