RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) I am aware of the tender differences in the 'prototype' fleet. Can anyone tell me if the 3/4 main types are provided by Hornby? If not, is there a supplier of parts for the 'alternatives' please, other than PDK full kits? I can see two different types on models I have but have not checked the wheel base. I've had a search to see if there is any info on modelling the varieties, with no luck so far other than the info on the SEMG. Any comments on the PDK products would be useful. However, I'm a bit reluctant to shell out for those kits as my needs are not for exhibition class locomotive detail despite the fact that I'm sure they will look very good. Many thanks. Phil Edited January 28, 2015 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hornby have only produced Series 2 (6'6" x 6'6") and 3 (7'4"x7'0") tenders in cut-down form so far as I know. It might be possible to modify the Series 2 cut-down into a Series 1 cut-down. The rebodied 5250 gallon tenders are not catered for. RT Models hold the full range of Albert Goodall Bulleid loco and tender castings as well as scale drawings. PDK tenders are basically a slightly more-evolved form than Crownline (which is where they originate from), with a bit more detail. You will have to roll the curves of the tender tank sides yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 28, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Hornby have only produced Series 2 (6'6" x 6'6") and 3 (7'4"x7'0") tenders in cut-down form so far as I know. It might be possible to modify the Series 2 cut-down into a Series 1 cut-down. The rebodied 5250 gallon tenders are not catered for. RT Models hold the full range of Albert Goodall Bulleid loco and tender castings as well as scale drawings. *PDK tenders are basically a slightly more-evolved form than Crownline (which is where they originate from), with a bit more detail. You will have to roll the curves of the tender tank sides yourself. *I'll have to roll my own bank notes too......thanks Horse for that. At least both short and 'long' chassis is catered for. I think the 5250s were on the long short chassis and could make an interesting scratch build. However, only two of my 'fleet' got those and that was after 1962 so that won't really be a priority for me (hoorah). I don't think RT do any actual tender bodies but the bits are very helpful (steps etc). Having now seen the tenders in A.J Fry's 'The Merchant Navy Class', I feel I don't need to do anything with PDK kits. I just need to modify the Hornby Series 2 with RT bits and the shape of the top sides to the bunker/cab sheets. That's a relief. P Edited January 28, 2015 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
145 Squadron Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I have converted 4 of the Hornby series 2 tenders to series 1; it is not too difficult as it mainly involves cutting bits off the series 2 tender as the series 1 was lower at the back and the bunker is shorter. I managed to keep the original paintwork and lining on the sides so that they were a match for the Hornby loco. The only additional bits you need are a set of Vacuum cylinders (RT Models) and cover (ditto or scrap brass or plasticard). The chassis does not need any modification, and by reusing the body fixing point on the top I have kept the original fixing screws. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Thanks mate. Looks like a smart layout......maybe we could see some more? Phil Edited January 29, 2015 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
145 Squadron Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Thank you for your kind comments, Phil; nice to see some fellow Southern Region modellers! The layout is really just a test track round my Railway Room, as my primary interest is building loco's and coaches. it is 'OO' looped figure of 8 double track 16' X 8' with 1 in 100 ruling grade to test the stock. The only problem is the coaches which tend to trundle into the tunnel when I not looking! Most of my stock is Southern Region circa 1962, with my current projects mainly Bulleid coaches as there is nothing on the market suitable for my loco's to pull! I have attached a few more photos of the conversion process from a Hornby series 2 to series 1 tender which I hope you will find useful. I found if you marked in pencil a line round the back op the tender, having cut out the centre, you could carefully file down to the new, lower depth of the sides without damaging the factory paintwork on the sides, Other main modifications to the tender were opening out the top of the coal space (needed on all Hornby MN tenders as it is too narrow), reshaping the front cab overhang and shortening the ladders to suit the new rear platform. I also attach a picture of 35008 with the rebodied self-weighing tender; this was my most dificult conversion, using an extended spare Wrenn tender body on a Hornby series 3 tender. I have also modelled most of the other major variations of MN tender, mainly using the Albert Goodall (now RT Models I believe) drawings which he took from actual tenders. I have one more to 'convert' which is Belgian Marine, but thankfully this has the standard Hornby series 2 tender, then I think I will have enough! Hope this is helpful to you; I look forward to seeing your results in due course. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Excellent pics. Many thanks. I've copied your text and pics for personal use if that's OK? Have you done the Injectors on '18 by any chance? Don't hold your breath re my 'efforts'!! P Edited January 29, 2015 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Have just managed to snaffle a Series 2 tender from eBay at modest cost, for future hacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted January 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2015 The Albert Goodall scale drawings are available from RT Models now. The injectors will be done in lost wax brass shortly as well as new and improved lost wax brass ladders which I will be making the patterns myself rather than using Alberts original as I want them to be longer for the sprues and to have the fixing brackets on the top. All part of upgrading alberts range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 30, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2015 Thanks Robert. That's great news. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Rite Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hi, Chris Meacham of Golden Arrow Productions does the early Bullied tender bodies for the short and long tender chassis, they are moulded in Milky Bar resin and have the basic dimnsions correct. I am currently working on one for my MN Elders Fyffes and apart from some detail on the back of the tender all the other add on details is from RT Models (formerly Albert Goodalls range). One thing I would like to see is the rear steps for the MN cast in bronze as they are narrower than the ones for the WC / BB tenders. Anyway, I seem to have managed to corner the market in Hornby tenders, originally I just wanted one for Bude to replace the horrible LMS tender that it came with, then the MN project reared its striking head courtesy of a fellow RMWebber I managed to get two or three high sided tenders but attempting to modify the basic shape seemed a bridge too far. Then Chris Meacham (Brucie the Fish) came to the rescue once I get the tender sorted I shall sell off the surplus ones as I shall have no use for them. Then theres the Hornby Dublo WC tender with the 5250 gallon tender which was in reserve for a extensively modified 1981 Hornby second issue of the original which was on the Princess / Brittania chassis......... Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 Thanks Wayne. I think the Golden Arrow tenders are unmodified shells? Is this what you meant and that you might have modified shells surplus? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It never ceases to amaze me how much the Bulleid MN tenders can command on eBay, with the Series 2 seemingly hardest to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It never ceases to amaze me how much the Bulleid MN tenders can command on eBay, with the Series 2 seemingly hardest to find. Some boxed MNs can now command prices 50% higher than the prices we paid new at a time when decent discounts were available. Looked at from that angle eBay tenders could be considered quite cheap in comparison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockalaucher101 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Sorry to go digging up an old thread but does anyone know what tender 35006 is currently running with? I can't seem to find anything online... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Rockalaucher101 said: Sorry to go digging up an old thread but does anyone know what tender 35006 is currently running with? I can't seem to find anything online... https://www.35006.co.uk/Society/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockalaucher101 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 31/12/2020 at 18:34, sandwich station said: https://www.35006.co.uk/Society/ Thanks. Doesn't exactly say what it is though, but it does look like a 5250 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 31/12/2020 at 18:34, sandwich station said: https://www.35006.co.uk/Society/ Is it a new Build or at least the Tank? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockalaucher101 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Is it a new Build or at least the Tank? Phil I think it was a new build. I've bee darting around other forums and looking at pictures and everything points to it being new. I feel like replicating this tender is going to get difficult 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 22, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 07/01/2021 at 14:37, Rockalaucher101 said: I think it was a new build. I've bee darting around other forums and looking at pictures and everything points to it being new. I feel like replicating this tender is going to get difficult Ah, I remember now talking to the guys at the G &W Railway over at Cheltenham. I have a good pic of the tender and it is indeed a new build with certain updated features IIRC. I am sure that someone over there has drawings. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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