jamessolomon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Got some BR Inter-city mk2 second coaches (R724) on hold at the local model shop and was wondering did BR ever run them as complete mk2 rake or mixed it with mk1s but i guess there must be some sort of compatibility issue between the mk1 and mk2 or something similar. What was the purpose of the center door when it had doors at either end of the coach seemed a little weird to me considering they tried the gangway doors on the ends of the coach but got rid of them as they proved troublesome. Where mk1s confined to urban routes when BR introduced the Mk2 meaning that it replaced them on express services to upgrade services, quality for passengers and the company image 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This is an early Mark 2 or Mark 2A coachBasically it is just an updated Mark 1 coach, hence why it retained the centre doorLater versions of the Mark 2 coach saw an end to the centre door in order to increase seating and storage space and improve air conditioning suitability It would have been possible to see Mark 1 coaches mixed with Mark 2 coaches, but it would depend on the braking systems fitted to each coach and to a small degree the heating system In order to simplify this issue many Mark 1 coaches were converted from Vacuum braking to Dual Braking, whilst others from Vacuum to Air Braking 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted January 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2015 There was no compatability issue between BR Mk1 and Mk2 coaches other than brakes (early Mk1 were vacuum brake only, later Mk2s were air-brake only) and heating (steam vs electric). When introduced, the Mk2s would have been used on the All through the BR period and into privatisation Mk1 and Mk2 coaches ran together - there were no Mk2 catering or full brake vehicles built. Trains needing restaurant or extra parcels space would have had Mk1 coaches. Mk1, Mk2 and loco-haulled Mk3s could also be found in the same train. Many of today's charter/steam special rakes are made from a mix of Mk1 and Mk2 coaches. Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 When introduced, the Mk2s would have been used on the . ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 ..... When new the first mk2 the LMR used them on the newly completed electrified WL services (ignoring the early FKs), the 2As where mainly used on the ER first, it was the BFKs from this batch that the WR had converted from air brake to vacuum brake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Should a brake coach be included in a rake depending on what locomotive is used. Planning on trying my luck to get a baggage car next weekend so thought id ask about the brake in case i see one for sale at a tempting price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 There was no compatability issue between BR Mk1 and Mk2 coaches other than brakes (early Mk1 were vacuum brake only, later Mk2s were air-brake only) and heating (steam vs electric). When introduced, the Mk2s would have been used on the All through the BR period and into privatisation Mk1 and Mk2 coaches ran together - there were no Mk2 catering or full brake vehicles built. Trains needing restaurant or extra parcels space would have had Mk1 coaches. Mk1, Mk2 and loco-haulled Mk3s could also be found in the same train. You mean like this? 47523 heads north out of Stirling, bound for Inverness. 31st July 1985 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 You mean like this? 100839 47523 STIR 31:7:85.jpg 47523 heads north out of Stirling, bound for Inverness. 31st July 1985 That looks like one of those "what have we got left in the sidings" formations! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forest2807 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'd like to know what the third coach is, the one hiding behind the bridge parapet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Well, maybe you can work it out from this blown up image of the right hand door that is visible? Looks like another Mk2 of some description, but I'm no expert. Edited March 6, 2015 by jonny777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Iv got them running atm as 2nd - 2nd - mk1 buffet - 2nd but am thinking of adding a baggage car if i see one to make it a 5 car rake. Did they ever include brake coaches into a rake depending on the loco that hauled it or was it a route based thing also thinking of a 1st class coach to complete the rake. Have assigned my class 27 to haul it as it looks the part hauling the rake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Iv got them running atm as 2nd - 2nd - mk1 buffet - 2nd but am thinking of adding a baggage car if i see one to make it a 5 car rake. Did they ever include brake coaches into a rake depending on the loco that hauled it or was it a route based thing also thinking of a 1st class coach to complete the rake. Have assigned my class 27 to haul it as it looks the part hauling the rake All loco hauled trains had to have at least one brake coach to accomodate the guard and provide a parking brake. Whether this was just accomodation for the guard plus luggage/parcels space or also contained passenger seating depended on the capacity required. Thus you could have a brake first (BFK) or brake second (BSO or BSK) with a BG (brake gangwayed)used for greater capacity. Most long distance trains also contained 1st class seating, only some rural and commuter trains were second class only. Edited March 8, 2015 by giz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Nothing to do with the loco. There always has to be a brake coach, the only ones with a hand brake and guard's accomadation. Typing at the same time ! Edited March 8, 2015 by Merfyn Jones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Is it the bars on the windows that give away a Brake coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) This is a Mk2 brake open second (BSO). The Corridor Brake First (BFK) is similar externally but differs internally: http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p46631637/h151b652d#h151b652d This is an open second (TSO): http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p46631637/h139156a#h139156a Edited March 8, 2015 by giz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 06/03/2015 at 19:22, bennyboy said: That looks like one of those "what have we got left in the sidings" formations! A bit like I run ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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