Osgood Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Here's something I've not seen before - a double catch point, in a NCB colliery yard. Are these rare or have I just led a sheltered life? (This is a crop from a Tom Heavyside photo published in Railway Bylines). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2015 You have led a sheltered life. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) I suppose a double catch point in the normal sense is where both rails on one track are split by the same lever, but I'm struggling to find another example of the above, where two separate tracks each with a single catch point are operated by the same lever. Edited November 5, 2015 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) I suppose a double catch point in the normal sense is where both rails on one track are split by the same lever, but I'm struggling to find another example of the above, where two separate tracks each with a single catch point are operated by the same lever. It's quite common, although catch points are not usually operated by hand levers, they are rodded to the signal box as part of the interlocking. regards, Martin. Edited November 5, 2015 by martin_wynne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks. Your point about remote operation makes sense - and also means that it is not easy to see which catch points are worked together. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 baby-pram.gif I suppose a double catch point in the normal sense is where both rails on one track are split by the same lever, but I'm struggling to find another example of the above, where two separate tracks each with a single catch point are operated by the same lever. Have a look at Bodmin General - probably one of the better known examples of this arrangement of a trap point. The modern version - there's one at Didcot (I have pictures) - involves a lot more rails as it is double tongue of course and is effectively half a double slip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 Here's something a bit unusual -- known as a "dutchman" for obvious reasons: Martin. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Here's something a bit unusual -- known as a "dutchman" for obvious reasons: Martin. Is that simply a piece of rail that's been used to replace a broken one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Nah! I suspect someone mis-measured said "Oh buffer!" or words to that effect. Had a word with the foreman who said "No problem guv, leave it to me!" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Have a look at Bodmin General - probably one of the better known examples of this arrangement of a trap point. The modern version - there's one at Didcot (I have pictures) - involves a lot more rails as it is double tongue of course and is effectively half a double slip. I don't think that is an issue of modernity, both versions have co-existed for decades, as have both single and double tongue trap points, just a combination of site circumstances and designer preference. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Have a look at Bodmin General - probably one of the better known examples of this arrangement of a trap point. The modern version - there's one at Didcot (I have pictures) - involves a lot more rails as it is double tongue of course and is effectively half a double slip. Thanks. And of course I found it on here, right under my nose!! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/userpix/939_MRC_Sep1982_SB_200_50_1.jpg Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Here's something a bit unusual -- known as a "dutchman" for obvious reasons: Martin. Perhaps it's only obvious once you know, or else I'm having a thick afternoon, but why "dutchman"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 Perhaps it's only obvious once you know, or else I'm having a thick afternoon, but why "dutchman"? Do fingers and dykes come to mind? http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/little_dutch_boy.html Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 I don't think that is an issue of modernity, both versions have co-existed for decades, as have both single and double tongue trap points, just a combination of site circumstances and designer preference. Regards As far as the Western is concerned it's modernity as single tongue traps have given way to double tongue in most locations at time of renewal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Perhaps it's only obvious once you know, or else I'm having a thick afternoon, but why "dutchman"? Replacing a bit of broken or damaged wood with another piece is know as "a dutchman" and I've also heard & used the phrase "dutch in" to refer to the act of replacing a bit of wood. The etymology appears to be a bit unclear; it might even be related to the bunch of insults the English invented during the Anglo-Dutch wars! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 “Caboose” comes from an old marine Dutch word meaning Galley. “Sloop” also comes from Dutch. Many more I can’t think of now! Some of them from the Niew Amsterdam/New York era and place. Best, Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Do fingers and dykes come to mind? http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/little_dutch_boy.html Martin. I like the quote in Martin's link - "This tale ... is not in fact a real myth, although many people believe it is." Just what does that mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2015 I like the quote in Martin's link - "This tale ... is not in fact a real myth, although many people believe it is." Just what does that mean? Quite simply to be a true myth it needs to be quite widely believed or at least widely held to have some truth. So if not widely held in the Netherlands it is not a myth. However the fact that many is the US believe it to be a Dutch myth makes it a US myth about it being a Dutch one..... Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Actually I looked up the definition of "myth". According to http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/myth a myth can be "an ancient story ..., especially explaining the early history of a ... people" as well as "a commonly believed but false idea". I was only thinking about the 2nd definition... Edited November 7, 2015 by DavidBird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/510d47e0-9d04-a3d9-e040-e00a18064a99 Some interesting 3 ways and also gauntlet/gantlet track 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Isn't it just! The 3-way points are in fact a back to back set of 3-way stub points, making, in effect, a triple-slip - three routes in and three routes out, and all combinations in between. It's the first example of that arrangement I have ever come across. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Just found that Bernard Kempinski (who I believe is a member here) has modelled a double stub slip http://usmrr.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/i-encountered-some-interesting.html 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted February 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I want one, Brian Think I'll use a frog juicer on that one Edited February 26, 2016 by Vistiaen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Think I'll use a frog juicer on that one DCC, only two wires for you whole layout. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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