RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) If you want to see 4014 in action Virtual Railfan will (AFAIK) have the Laramie Historic Railroad Depot cams free over the weekend. The Big Boy is due there for a stopover on May 4th on it's way to Ogden, Utah Schedule here: https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm (EDIT return journey back to Cheyenne with overnight stopover in Laramie on May18th) Edited May 1, 2019 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43078shildoncountydurham Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 01/05/2019 at 06:07, MGR Hooper! said: Yes... 1 ordered from Rails .. Regards Craig 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 7 hours ago, 43078shildoncountydurham said: 1 ordered from Rails .. Regards Craig It ought to be a stunning model, see'best ever' thread here in Hornby for pics of the first run. examples; cheers 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted May 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2019 I wonder if it ran with the water carriers UP used with 3985 4-6-6-4 Challenger because remember there’s more water in the boiler than in the tender. In steam days it wasn’t uncommon for them to run approximately 20 miles before needing a whole replenishment of water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Both locos ran with a water tender directly behind each loco 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 01/05/2019 at 20:36, melmerby said: If you want to see 4014 in action Virtual Railfan will (AFAIK) have the Laramie Historic Railroad Depot cams free over the weekend. The Big Boy is due there for a stopover on May 4th on it's way to Ogden, Utah Schedule here: https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm (EDIT return journey back to Cheyenne with overnight stopover in Laramie on May18th) Thanks for the link, Keith. There's a lot of footage now on twitter youtube etc of the run on Sat 4 May, hadn't realised 4014 was running with 844 as well. Absolutely fab. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) I observe that the price of s/h Big Boys is higher than it was on Ebay. I may be wrong but the newly announced Rivarossi 4014 looks to have better detail than the earlier versions, but that said, they have steadily improved over the years regardless. Here are some examples of quite recent versions, RP25 wheels but no cab glazing. The factory-weathered version I bought on Ebay for about US$150 from memory, four years ago, the pristine 4008 is a Hattons pic. Edited May 5, 2019 by robmcg 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted May 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2019 I notice they still model the loco with the cooling fins for the compressor on the front pilot. Only the first batch had them and I think they were removed pretty early in service. I expect a Union Pacific expert will confirm this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 04/05/2019 at 22:00, 43078shildoncountydurham said: 1 ordered from Rails .. Regards Craig Do post pics when you can! And what you think of it too.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 06/05/2019 at 23:47, jools1959 said: I notice they still model the loco with the cooling fins for the compressor on the front pilot. Only the first batch had them and I think they were removed pretty early in service. I expect a Union Pacific expert will confirm this. Some of the later versions done under Hornby had RP25 wheels and no cooling radiators. They get good prices on Ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 06/05/2019 at 12:47, jools1959 said: I notice they still model the loco with the cooling fins for the compressor on the front pilot. Only the first batch had them and I think they were removed pretty early in service. I expect a Union Pacific expert will confirm this. If they're there and you don't want them, they can no doubt be removed. If they weren't fitted, then there would be howls of protest! Has anyone counted the spokes yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted May 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, robmcg said: Some of the later versions done under Hornby had RP25 wheels and no cooling radiators. They get good prices on Ebay. Back in the early 80’s, Rivarossi started fitting RP25 profile wheels because when I was at the much lamented “Victor’s” the first batched arrived and there was a lot of favourable comments about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, jools1959 said: Back in the early 80’s, Rivarossi started fitting RP25 profile wheels because when I was at the much lamented “Victor’s” the first batched arrived and there was a lot of favourable comments about it. Off topic but please see my topic about 'memories of Victor's' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Hroth said: If they're there and you don't want them, they can no doubt be removed. If they weren't fitted, then there would be howls of protest! Has anyone counted the spokes yet... Indeed they will have. U S modellers are good at such things. The earlier versions with coarser flange had drivers at a scale 5'2" should be 5'7" not sure about the later ones. The models have both wheelsets swivelling the prototype only the front set, and the cylinders are about 1' too far forward, to allow clearances.... shocking stuff. Best Big Boy in my opinion is the Precision Craft version, some like the Athearn and others the Marklin, or Broadway Limited, or MTH, but much of that is sound an other useless gimmickry... another thing I don't like is fitted crew, they ALWAYS detract from a model because they DON'T MOVE'..... Edited May 9, 2019 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43078shildoncountydurham Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Will do Regards Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 10 hours ago, robmcg said: Some of the later versions done under Hornby had RP25 wheels and no cooling radiators. They get good prices on Ebay. I'm now kicking myself as I sold a UP Big Boy and a Cab Forward for £100 in the early 90s lol ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It would have been wonderful to liberate SP 4924 (the only surviving SP Cab Forward) from the California Railroad Museum on static display and had it meet nose to nose with UP 4014 today somewhere in Utah...maybe on the Lucian cuttoff causeway across the Great Salt Lake. Impossible but a great fantasy.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2019 Having recently watched with much pleasure and admiration a great deal of YouTube coverage of last week’s rail fest in Wyoming,I must say I am smitten.The new release Rivarossi/Hornby is in HO of course and even in this form is a massive beast for the average UK layout,apart from the issue of its cost,though you are getting a lot of loco for your bucks. In idle speculation I wonder how it would handle my 3 feet radius curves and pointwork.No stock of course... Going slightly off at a tangent,did anyone else notice the apparent lack of H&S concern between both train crew and adoring enthusiasts ? No one seemed to bother and yet there was a natural respect between man and machine and lack of barriers and fencing didn’t seem to induce anyone to throw caution to the wind for the sake of that Oscar winning camera work.4014 seemed a gentle tame giant with the kids and others getting up close while the train was looped in a siding waiting for freight to get ahead.Contrast that with events going on simultaneously last weekend a couple of miles away from where I post this when Flying Scotsman and its train,along with a number of XC trains had their passages disrupted and severely delayed by permanent way trespassers seeking that extra sensational footage. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: .... In idle speculation I wonder how it would handle my 3 feet radius curves and pointwork.No stock of course... ... No problem at all, except it looks a bit odd. Both front and rear engine pivot, here is a recent Hornby-Rivarossi Big Boy with RP25 wheels etc., probably similar. I note the ads show a glazed cab so 4014 might be better. Edited May 10, 2019 by robmcg 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted May 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 10/05/2019 at 17:09, autocoach said: It would have been wonderful to liberate SP 4924 (the only surviving SP Cab Forward) from the California Railroad Museum on static display and had it meet nose to nose with UP 4014 today somewhere in Utah...maybe on the Lucian cuttoff causeway across the Great Salt Lake. Impossible but a great fantasy.... With Union Pacific, as I was told by a manager at the CSRM in 2008, it will be impossible because UP have a blanket ban on any other railroads steam loco’s including those they have merged with (C&NW, MKT, MP, SP, WP) to run over their rails. That’s why Southern Pacific 4-8-4 4449 basically runs over BNSF Rails now. I also asked what’s the chances of getting 4294 back in steam and the reply was “no chance” as there are to many missing and damaged parts, also they don’t have the facilities to overhaul it and the only place is with Union Pacific at Cheyenne, WY and we all know what that answer would be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 10/05/2019 at 18:15, Ian Hargrave said: Going slightly off at a tangent,did anyone else notice the apparent lack of H&S concern between both train crew and adoring enthusiasts ? No one seemed to bother and yet there was a natural respect between man and machine and lack of barriers and fencing didn’t seem to induce anyone to throw caution to the wind for the sake of that Oscar winning camera work.4014 seemed a gentle tame giant with the kids and others getting up close while the train was looped in a siding waiting for freight to get ahead.Contrast that with events going on simultaneously last weekend a couple of miles away from where I post this when Flying Scotsman and its train,along with a number of XC trains had their passages disrupted and severely delayed by permanent way trespassers seeking that extra sensational footage. I wonder whether the different attitudes are down to the fact that in the US, Railroads/Railways are not fenced and everyone is brought up with a sensible attitude to how close is close enough without becoming dangerous. In the news this morning it is reported that Network Rail are seriously concerned about the problems caused by idiotic "Scotsman" groupies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48229400 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 10/05/2019 at 18:15, Ian Hargrave said: The new release Rivarossi/Hornby is in HO of course and even in this form is a massive beast for the average UK layout,apart from the issue of its cost,though you are getting a lot of loco for your bucks. In idle speculation I wonder how it would handle my 3 feet radius curves and pointwork.No stock of course... I sold dozens of these locos back in the day and I would expect this version would also traverse 18 inch radius curves without any problem - that is why it has the rather 'toylike' arrangement where the rear set of wheels swivel as well. Not criticising the model for that - just saying. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2019 3 hours ago, melmerby said: I wonder whether the different attitudes are down to the fact that in the US, Railroads/Railways are not fenced and everyone is brought up with a sensible attitude to how close is close enough without becoming dangerous. In the news this morning it is reported that Network Rail are seriously concerned about the problems caused by idiotic "Scotsman" groupies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48229400 Recognise the image on the BBC News app ? The very same our XC forum member posted on RMWeb last week. Someone surely must know who these two nerds are.....Are we beginning perhaps to declare our own rules of what’s “ cool “ and it’s OK and permissible to tear up the rule book whatever the consequences and inconvenience to others might ensue ? The one directly facing the camera is surely old enough to know better. That said......any forum member recognise him ? I live just a few miles from the incident but unfortunately I don’t. The Transport Police would like to have words......A case where shopping the dirt might be to the benefit of the greater good. Wonder what the max.penalty is ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90rob Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Absolutely not condoning the behaviour - but how times change. I seem to recall that during the 'Flying Scotsman Goes South' tour in 1966 our local station was so packed with sightseers that the train was held up for quite some time while people flooded over the tracks. I remember the porter trying to get people back on to the platforms so that the expected service in the opposite direction could pass.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted May 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: Wonder what the max.penalty is ? £1,000 fine and eighteen months in prison... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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