Julian Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 With a ScR early-mid 1960s layout in the planning, can anyone kindly tell me which coach types were used thus: - On the Ballachulish branch: Thomspon non-corridor 2 coach sets: Brake Third/Composite or Brake ? and a ??? (Hornby models) - What appear to be 2/3-coach (Mk1s?) sets used on local trains around Perth, Gleneagles, Crieff areas and Craigellachie, Elgin area (see O'Hara's BR steam in Scotland Page 63 and 127) Many thanks to anyone who can offer any info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi Julian, A search for 'Trains to Ballachulish' on Google, then images.... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Trains+to+ballachulish&biw=1680&bih=963&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eroVVdquK5PjaJ_ygugC&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA Gives plenty of insight into what was recorded over the years. A search on Geograph reveals a similar image to a couple of those found on the Google search:- http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3027121 Another useful source - layout already in progress:- https://northballachulish.wordpress.com/ Some general information:- http://www.oban-line.info/home.html Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Excellent photos and signalling info - many thanks. Keep the info coming tho' guys, re those coach formations: the photo angles/distances aren't always specific enough to make it clear what coach types are used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi Julian, Deciding which coaches are which can be a problem. For instance - Thompson Suburban or Non-corridor coaches. Check the proportions of the coach by looking along it's length. Does it have a brake portion? Is the Brake portion of the coach 1/4, 1/3 or 1/2 of the length? How many coach doors are there along the side view? Are the coach doors equally spaced? Is there a break in the line of coach doors? Are any of the windows opaque? This gives you something to compare against the coach diagrams or models that are available. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer27jd Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The Craigellachie, Elgin area in the early 1960's would be almost exclusively ex LMS period 3 corridor stock. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The Railscot website http://www.railbrit.co.uk/is a good source for all things Scottish, and has now expanded into English lines and stations as well. The Gleneagles to Crieff service was a 4-wheeled railbus in the early 1960s by the looks of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 - What appear to be 2/3-coach (Mk1s?) sets used on local trains around Perth, Gleneagles, Crieff areas and Craigellachie, Elgin area (see O'Hara's BR steam in Scotland Page 63 and 127) For anyone modelling the Strathearn lines John Young's 'Branch Lines of Strathearn' is required reading, published by the CRA ISBN 7981 899889 88 4. Loads of photos from most eras. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 What appear to be 2/3-coach (Mk1s?) sets used on local trains around Perth, Gleneagles, Crieff areas and Craigellachie, Elgin area (see O'Hara's BR steam in Scotland Page 63 and 127) Both pics on page 63 are a period 3 BSK + what I presume is a CK (if it isn't a CK it's an SK but it should be the former), there were several diagrams of both and I can't tell one from the other in an end view. Top pic on p127 shows late period 3 BSK+CK, possibly portholes or the diagrams immediately preceding them. The diagnostic features are the 2 extra doors in the side of the CK and the side plating overlapping the solebar top flange on the BSK (the sides almost touch the footboards). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Funny enough I was discussing this in a text conversation earlier today. Up to circa 1961, non corridor stock was pretty much, but not exclusively dominant on a lot of these secondary services. Possibly due to the wider introduction of railcars and standard gangwayed stock, many services seemed to become dominated by cascaded corridor stock. This certainly seems to be the case on the PPW and in the Eastern Borders. In the latter case, one of the best known examples is the Berwick-St Boswells with its Gresley BCK. The Carlisle-Hawick 'Skud' also appears to have gone from three non-gangwayed vehicles to a CK/BSK configuration by 1964/5. The Caledonian and Sou'West Parly trains weren't above employing a combination of gangwayed an non-gangwayed stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Throughout the 50s until DMUs and the BEMU took over, the Deeside line ran Gresley BTK4/5, CK( Dia. 7), BTK4/5 strengthened in the summer by Dia. 186 TTO. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The Railscot website http://www.railbrit.co.uk/is a good source for all things Scottish, and has now expanded into English lines and stations as well. The Gleneagles to Crieff service was a 4-wheeled railbus in the early 1960s by the looks of it. However, I just watched the video "Gavin Morrison Vol 1" which includes footage of Standard 5 73007 with a single Stanier BCK, that was standing in for the railbus between Gleneagles and Crieff at the time. The prototype for everything can be found if you search hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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