Pragmatic Pre-Grouping - Mikkel's Workbench

[richbrummitt]

although I would recommend goods train working ahead of cartage (also 2 vols.) if you don't have them already. 

[Mikkel]

19 hours ago, 2996 Victor said:

would you say that Atkins' Goods Cartage book is a valuable asset to your library?

 

I agree with others above that these are worth getting. The two volumes are not cheap though. Volume 1 is probably the most important one, especially for pre-grouping as vol 2 has a certain bias towards later years, especially in the selection of photos. But it depends on one's interests of course - and the publishers know their business and have made sure there are also interesting bits in vol 2, such as liveries (although that is not a very long section).  Here are the lists of contents for the two volumes:

 

 

 

 

For some reason a number of sellers wrongly list these as "volume 4", not sure why. Maybe they are confused by the variety of books on GWR goods services that Tony Atkins did. He left behind a unique documentation opf GWR goods operations and we owe him a lot.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Mikkel

[2996 Victor]

Thanks Mikkel and everyone, sounds like I need to get these books onto my Christmas list! 

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[Welchester]

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

For some reason a number of sellers wrongly list these as "volume 4", not sure why. Maybe they are confused by the variety of books on GWR goods services that Tony Atkins did. He left behind a unique documentation opf GWR goods operations and we owe him a lot.

 

I think they get to 4 by counting Docks and Marine as vol. 3.

[Mikkel]

Yes that could be, although I suppose Docks & Marine was more of a continuation of the "Goods Services" volumes. Perhaps they mean the Crecy ones, which also add up to four. Here's the list of Tony Atkins' work as I know it:

 

Tourret Publishing, later Oxford Publishing Co:

• GWR Goods Wagons (combined edition) by Atkins, Beard & Tourret

 

Wild Swan:

• GWR Goods Services 1: An Introduction
• GWR Goods Services 2A: Goods Depots and Their Operation
• GWR Goods Services 2B: Goods Depots and Their Operation

 

Noodle Books:

• Great Western Docks & Marine

 

Crecy:

• GWR Goods Train Working  Vol 1: From Development To Guard Duties
• GWR Goods Train Working Vol 2: From Control Offices to Exceptional Loads 
• GWR Goods Cartage Vol 1: From Horses and Carts to Tractors and Trailers
• GWR Goods cartage Vol 2: Garages, Liveries, Cartage and Containers    

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Mikkel

[ChrisN]

5 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Yes that could be, although I suppose Docks & Marine was more of a continuation of the "Goods Services" volumes. Perhaps they mean the Crecy ones, which also add up to four. Here's the list of Tony Atkins' work as I know it:

 

Tourret Publishing, later Oxford Publishing Co:

• GWR Goods Wagons (combined edition) by Atkins, Beard & Tourret

 

Wild Swan:

• GWR Goods Services 1: An Introduction
• GWR Goods Services 2A: Goods Depots and Their Operation
• GWR Goods Services 2B: Goods Depots and Their Operation

 

Noodle Books:

• Great Western Docks & Marine

 

Crecy:

• GWR Goods Train Working: From Development To Guard Duties
• GWR Goods Train Working: From Control Offices to Exceptional Loads Volume 2
• GWR Goods Cartage. Vol 1: From Horses and Carts to Tractors and Trailers
• GWR Goods cartage Vol 2: Garages, Liveries, Cartage and Containers    

 

So much information.  The Cambrian is the opposite.  When the GWR asked if they could send a clerestory as a through coach and would it fit the loading gauge, the question was asked would it fit through a certain tunnel, the answer was, "We do not know."  The way they found out was to take the coach, very slowly, through the tunnel to see if it got stuck.  We are talking about the 1890s.

 

To be fair, there were lots of things they did know, but very little was written down., or perhaps has survived.

[Mikkel]

Maybe the GWR were just better at pretending 

[Mikkel]

Sat down this morning to build a nuclear flask wagon and a Fell, but they've just been announced - so I just worked on the Float instead.

 

The hoops for the tilt were formed over a jig, stuck fast with adhesive tape and dunked in boiling water.

 

 

 

Incidentally I was interested to see Tony Atkins use the term "tilt" for a canopy such as this. In Danish the word "telt" means a tent, so maybe a common origin there. 

[2996 Victor]

Superb work! Looking forward to seeing this finished.

 

Interesting thought on the etymology of "tilt" - it's amazing how many different origins there are for "English" words.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[Mikkel]

Yes, and sometimes words develop in very roundabout ways. On this page it says:

 

Quote

tilt (v.1)

Old English *tyltan "to be unsteady," from tealt "unsteady," from Proto-Germanic *taltaz (source also of Old Norse tyllast "to trip," Swedish tulta "to waddle," Norwegian tylta "to walk on tip-toe," Middle Dutch touteren "to swing"). Meaning "to cause to lean, tip, slope" (1590s) is from sense of "push or fall over." Intransitive sense "to lean, tip" first recorded 1620s. Related: Tilted; tilting.

 

tilt (n.1)

"a joust, a combat," 1510s, perhaps from tilt (v.1) on the notion of "to lean" into an attack, but the word originally seems to have been the name of the barrier which separated the combatants, which suggests connection with tilt in an earlier meaning "covering of coarse cloth, an awning" (mid-15c.). This is perhaps from tilt (v.1), or related to or influenced by tent. Watkins derives it from Old English teld "awning, tent," related to beteldan "to cover," from Proto-Germanic *teldam "thing spread out." Hence, also full tilt (c. 1600). Pinball machine sense is from 1934.

 

Anyway, glad to have found the meaning of the word, as I have been confused in the past when I encountered the term "Tilt wagon" in captions about GWR horse drawn wagons - thinking it  might be the same as  tip wagon! 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Mikkel

[2996 Victor]

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 term "Tilt wagon" in captions about GWR horse drawn wagons

 

 

And indeed the iron broad gauge bonnet-ended wagons.

[Martin S-C]

My dad used to call the soft roofs that folded down on sports cars a "tilt". I suspect from the same source. Without even questioning it I always think of the canvas roofs of horse drawn wagons as tilts. He was a Yorkshireman so the Danish influence might be understandable.

It is also hardly surprising that the English language has so many words in common with NW Europe; since that's basically where a lot of us originally came from!

[Mikkel]

Many thanks gents, I am forever learning new things on here.

 

Some progress on the float.  The shafts from the Arch Laser kit are flat. On my prototype they have a curve so I rolled them with a round scalpel. 

 

 

 

 

The shafts were modified further so I could mount them securely in a fixed position as per the prototype. 

 

 

 

 

The shafts had extended mounting plates/irons along the side of the wagon. Mine are a bit over scale.

 

 

 

 

I had intended to use the springs from the Arch Laser kit, but they were too large for my prototype, so I cut some new ones. A rough outline was enough as the wheels obscure the details. 

 

 

 

 

Getting there. Still need to add brakes, chains, bolt heads etc. The horses of Farthing were famous for their tap dancing skills.

 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Mikkel

[bgman]

Definitely looking better than the original kit, and nice observation on the shafts.

 

Enjoying this build very much.

 

G

 

p.s. nicely manicured thumb nail ! 

[Mikkel]

Thanks Grahame, the shafts should be more rounded but filing them proved risky as the wood is quite thin. I suppose I should have made them from styrene but I like the idea of using some parts from the original kit.

 

I hadn't thought about my thumbs being so prominent. Other people post pictures of food on social media, but this is worse I suppose 

[Nile]

I'd rather see your models, with or without thumbs, than your food.

[Mikkel]

I do agree. Although I did come across this: 

 

 

[Simond]

2 hours ago, Nile said:

I'd rather see your models, with or without thumbs, than your food.

 

 

I don’t know, I’ve never seen his food...

[Donw]

5 hours ago, Simond said:

 

 

I don’t know, I’ve never seen his food...

 

Do you mean you have never had a Danish 

[Northroader]

Smorgasbord, yum, yum.

[jcm@gwr]

Bacon, mmmm, Danishhhhhhhhhhh!

[Baby Deltic]

15 hours ago, Mikkel said:

I do agree. Although I did come across this: 

 

 

Well that explains the principle of micro modelling in a nutshell......

[Simond]

Mikkel,

 

congratulations, in one post, you’ve gone from being A “Danish modeller” to The “model for Danish cuisine”!

 

 

Simon

[Mikkel]

No one seems to have mentioned pasta and pizza, the mainstay of modern Danish cuisine 

 

The walnut video led me on a stroll into diorama modelling, and from there to the work of some extraordinary miniature artists, including Hank Cheng. This is his workbench. Or is it?

 

 

[Methuselah]

Land Rovers often used to be sold with either a Full Tilt or a Half Tilt, if they had a cab. Mine had a Full Tilt - fun in the summer, like an arctic wind-tunnel in the winter...!