hartleymartin Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The only other large scale NSWGR layout I have ever seen was the Lasseter, Gumflat and Buckalong railway layout in April 1998 Australian Model Railway Magazine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 There was an article on building a pair of 19 class for a G1 layout in AMRM. His mate has a G1 layout under cover outdoors. Chris can probably tell you more as the layout is in his territory. cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 hours ago, robertc said: There was an article on building a pair of 19 class for a G1 layout in AMRM. His mate has a G1 layout under cover outdoors. Chris can probably tell you more as the layout is in his territory. cheers Bob Which AMRM? I'd be interested to read that article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 April 2016. Just look on the search function of AMRM for articles by Peter Sansom. Watch out, G1 is addictive and there are more places to run your trains than G0. :>) cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 29/05/2019 at 09:26, robertc said: April 2016. Just look on the search function of AMRM for articles by Peter Sansom. Watch out, G1 is addictive and there are more places to run your trains than G0. :>) cheers Bob Hi Bob and Martin Bobs spot on the Gauge 1 journey dose become addictive a couple of years ago I had 6 items of Garden Gauge stock thats now heading north of 7 locos and 50items of rolling stock now over NSWGR and RioGrande stock and around me there are more people modelling and actually have railways than the O scale guys unfortunately the O scalers mostly are gunners and railways are few and far between just like meet ups In my area the garden railway guys are doers, and mostly welcome others to come along and run there trains, plus they meet most weeks of the year on a round robin between the running railways. Be warned as bob said it’s very addictive and much more welcoming than o scale and actually slightly cheaper modelling for the actual trains, the layout it self may be the other way round as scenic’s usually involve large scale garden landscaping not just some Ply and. Wood framing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Chris and I assisted Gary with running his small O gauge layout at the Epping MRC Show at Rose Hill Gardens today. Here are a couple of shots of my Hudswell Clarke and a couple of my wagons running on the layout, named "River Dee Meats" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 15 hours ago, hartleymartin said: Chris and I assisted Gary with running his small O gauge layout at the Epping MRC Show at Rose Hill Gardens today. Here are a couple of shots of my Hudswell Clarke and a couple of my wagons running on the layout, named "River Dee Meats" Great Day with Martin and Gary at the show the little Hudswell looking good on the Gary’s River Dee Meats layout showing layout a layout in the build stage with that shows what is below the scenic’s it was good to have so many people interested in the technique’s Gary has used on the build and asking questions the most asked Question was were do I get that Foam you have used for the scenic’ land form ?? Answer “Bunnings” I’m sure Bunnings will have a few less sheets in stock by the end of the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Glad to hear you all had a good time in Sydney. Over in Adelaide for their one this year. Hope to make the racecourse one next year. cheers Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Funny thing about the Hudswell Clarke. On the Saturday it kept derailing on the curve into the layout, but stayed on track reversing on the way out. Then on the Monday it ran faultlessly around the same bit of track! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 This month is Garden Gauge again 1/32 scale Having not been able to set up the O scale railway since its last exhibition the G1 has taken the interest for some Winter Steaming, we had one attempt that had to be postponed due to poor weather however the next available day was a cracker of a Winters day, perfect for some steam. I took along 3820 and some NSWGR stock the start of a passenger train and a small Goods YouTube link a few minutes of steaming 3820 performed beautifully and clocked near 2 hours of running over the afternoon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Looks to be running very smoothly Chris. cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 20 hours ago, robertc said: Looks to be running very smoothly Chris. cheers Bob Thanks Bob yes a couple of adjustments getting the valve timing and a few other items that the Chinese factory failed to assemble correctly or solder on to the body and it’s a beautiful performer. Still photo of it from the last run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Hi Chris, do the builders of these G1 layouts have any standards they work to? I've seen a lot of problems mentioned about non compatibility between various G scale wheels and pointwork. It would be good to know before I make something :>) cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, robertc said: Hi Chris, do the builders of these G1 layouts have any standards they work to? I've seen a lot of problems mentioned about non compatibility between various G scale wheels and pointwork. It would be good to know before I make something :>) cheers Bob The main thing with Gauge 1 is that there is 10mm scale (1:30.5) and 3/8" scale (1:32). You then run into complications with a number of varieties of G scale, which runs on the same gauge of track, but generally represents narrow gauge and uses different wheel/track standards. They generally all use 1-3/4inch, 44.5mm or 45mm gauge British Gauge 1 has "standard" and "fine" specifications which principally differs in the back-to-back wheel dimension which is 40mm in "standard" and 42mm in "fine" with flange ways being 3mm and 1.75mm respectively. https://www.g1mra.com/pdf/standard-dimensions-for-gauge1.pdf The American Large-Scale standard, which covers Gauge 1 and G scale (in its many varieties) varies yet again. The back-to-back is 41.5mm, but the flange ways are the same as British Gauge 1 "standard" https://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/S-3.3 2010.02.24.pdf https://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/S-4.2 2015.01.19.pdf https://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/S-4.3 2010.02.24.pdf Co-incidentally, 7mm Finescale flange ways are the same as Gauge 1 fine standard, so depending on whether you use 1:30.5 or 1:32 scale, O gauge track is roughly around the 3ft, 3'3", Meter, 3'6" gauge. As usual, the wonderful thing about standards is that there are always several to choose from! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 5 hours ago, robertc said: Hi Chris, do the builders of these G1 layouts have any standards they work to? I've seen a lot of problems mentioned about non compatibility between various G scale wheels and pointwork. It would be good to know before I make something :>) cheers Bob Hi Bob I think Marty has summed it up so many wheel standards then the track manufacturers have varied standards as well. the sunset valley track that you see on the video with my 38’s is ok but lacks the finesse you would expect for the $$ it costs, I think Sunset have gone for a compromise between fine and standard specifications the switch rails need a bit of finishing off with a file to get them to sit nicely also the check Rails aren’t set for fine or standard wheel flanges they are somewhere in-between. My 1/32 scale 3801 has scale flanges and I’ve found it has a few issues with most standard RTR points it will climb the crossing V on the standard points as the check Rail are set to cater for the thicker flanges of the standard wheels. but has no issues on the Gauge 1 fine scale track made by Peco. Im looking at using peco fine scale G1 track on my railway for the running lines and then the corse 332 aristocraft/LGB track I already have for the steaming areas or set up sidings as it is very robust and will take a bit of abuse as I’ve noted a few of the guys often set the track on fire with their meths fired locos whilst trying to get them going, the fine chairs and rail of the peco won’t stand up to that, but the heavy plastic of the aristocraft will take a fair bit of heat before the chairs will let go or the gauging is affected. My 1:20.3 scale Rio Grande rolling stock has standard scale wheels and I find they are able to negotiate all the different track standards without issues they will go through the large radius corse LGB points ok ie a bit clunky but won’t derail and the Sunset Valley they roll through very nicely. To sum up the scale wheels work well on scale track but have a few issues on the standard semi corse point settings used by most of the popular Track manufacturers The standard spec wheels (Semi scale) are sort of a good compromise and will negotiate most of the various track standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 So basically a case of suck it and see then Chris. The Hunter/ central Coast garden groups haven't agreed on a standard. I have my gauges from years gone by somewhere ( I hope). I made them to G1MRA standards so probably not much use with this mob. Had I not abandoned my G1 NSWGR layout I intended to concrete the steam up track if/when I got a live steamer. I note the Tenmille track still seems to be more popular than the Peco for some reason in blighty. I'll have to ask why. However I'm not intending to make a layout this time around, just have a couple of things I can bring to a running session somewhere. I might make it to Newcastle this year, if Peter Samson is about he might be able to clue me up on what the NSWGR modellers he is associated with are doing. cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 14 hours ago, robertc said: So basically a case of suck it and see then Chris. The Hunter/ central Coast garden groups haven't agreed on a standard. I have my gauges from years gone by somewhere ( I hope). I made them to G1MRA standards so probably not much use with this mob. Had I not abandoned my G1 NSWGR layout I intended to concrete the steam up track if/when I got a live steamer. I note the Tenmille track still seems to be more popular than the Peco for some reason in blighty. I'll have to ask why. However I'm not intending to make a layout this time around, just have a couple of things I can bring to a running session somewhere. I might make it to Newcastle this year, if Peter Samson is about he might be able to clue me up on what the NSWGR modellers he is associated with are doing. cheers Bob Hi Bob basically yes track from LGB to Sunset Valley and everything in between if you made your wheels to the G1MRA standard should be ok as I said most of the propriety track standards are a compromise between both standard and fine. I think the Tenmille is used a lot in UK as you can get in slightly larger profile so a bit more solid, plus point kits for various types. 3 ways, slips etc. I’ve never seen Peter Samson at any Garden Railway meetings in the Valley I think Peter said he was going to the Newcastle show this year I’m guessing he will have his Sn3 layout. I know Peter did a lot of masters for models for G1 and built quite a few models but don’t know if he still has them or if he is still modelling in G I keep forgetting to ask him when I see him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 First thing I need to do is get Pete's name right 'Sansom'. :>) Should check what I type! Went to a local club bring and buy sale yesterday but surprise, surprise nothing in O for sale or wanted :>) HO, N and G were the usual parts of the alphabet on offer. cheers Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR CHRIS Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) Bob this UK track supplier produces some of the nicest G1 track Cliff Barker link http://www.cliffbarker.me.uk/ worth a look yes Peter Sansom, Auto correct will change it every time to Samson yes getting rare rare to find anything of much interesting at any of the B&B’s anymore. Edited July 21, 2019 by SMR CHRIS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Yes, very nicely made indeed Chris. Probably a favourite with indoor layouts where the extra details can be appreciated. Sadly, proper G1 unlikely to gain much of a foothold here any time soon. cheers Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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