Class 74 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Aarau Ae4/7s 10951 and 10945 eastbound freight 3rd Aug 88 C10042.jpg Aarau Ae4/7s 10951 and 10945 eastbound freight 3rd Aug 88 C10042 Mmmmhhh... my alltime favorite Swiss loco (with the BLS Ae 6/8). Saw them 1000 times, mostly in double traction! Great to see so much pix form the golden time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 6, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2015 We'll move forward in time to 1991 today with a look at Spiez on the BLS in Switzerland. Spiez 11th Aug 91 C16284 Spiez BN ABDe4/8 743 Spiez to Thun 11th Aug 91 C16285 Spiez BLS Re4/4 165 Basel to Brig 11th Aug 91 C16290 Spiez BLS Re4/4 189 EC Monteverdi Baeel to Venice 16th Aug 91 C16446 Spiez BLS Tm 66 16th Aug 91 C16448 Spiez BLS Te 15 with hay wagon 16th Aug 91 C16449 David 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted August 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2015 Brain, Thanks for reminding me the WSB goes only to Menziken, I really knew that but as usual typed the wrong place name. Edit: Do you mean this contraption? I got to Beromunster by bus on that day, Beromunster 6th Aug 96 C22065.jpg Beromunster 6th Aug 97 C22065 I suspect it is to unload wagons into lorries. Is the metal plate in the track covering an underground hopper and the material is then put into lorries using the pipe to fill them from the top? Second edit. Have you seen these photos of Ernie Brack's on the line? https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/albums/72157632091433655/page1 David. It might be a wagon weighbridge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigo Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Brain, Thanks for reminding me the WSB goes only to Menziken, I really knew that but as usual typed the wrong place name. Edit: Do you mean this contraption? I got to Beromunster by bus on that day, Beromunster 6th Aug 96 C22065.jpg Beromunster 6th Aug 97 C22065 I suspect it is to unload wagons into lorries. Is the metal plate in the track covering an underground hopper and the material is then put into lorries using the pipe to fill them from the top? Second edit. Have you seen these photos of Ernie Brack's on the line? https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/albums/72157632091433655/page1 David. Many thanks David for the picture and for reminding me of Ernie Brack's collection. He is on my Favourites list somewhere, I need to have a sort out. Yes, that's the contraption. Enlarging one of Ernie's picture (similar to yours) seems to show "buckets" in the cutout in the column so I think you're right it is a grain elevator moving the grain from under the track to the pipe outlet. Intriguingly there also appears to be the facility for another pipe to be connected at 90 degrees in the direction of a wagon. So I suppose it is also possible to fill the hopper from a road vehicle and fill a wagon. In answer to 31A there is a weighbridge between the elevator and the loading dock behind. Thanks again Brian G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Many thanks David for the picture and for reminding me of Ernie Brack's collection. He is on my Favourites list somewhere, I need to have a sort out. Yes, that's the contraption. Enlarging one of Ernie's picture (similar to yours) seems to show "buckets" in the cutout in the column so I think you're right it is a grain elevator moving the grain from under the track to the pipe outlet. Intriguingly there also appears to be the facility for another pipe to be connected at 90 degrees in the direction of a wagon. So I suppose it is also possible to fill the hopper from a road vehicle and fill a wagon. In answer to 31A there is a weighbridge between the elevator and the loading dock behind. Thanks again Brian G. Fertiliser in/ grain out, probably; this used to be common practice at many continental silos/ grain terminals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2015 !988 in Switzerland again today, This time some narrow gauge at Palezieux and Montreux. First the Gruyere Fribourg Morat (Chemins de Fre Fribourgeois) at Paleziux. This is on the metre gauge lines of the company. Palezieux GFM Be4/4 Palezieux to Montbovon 4th Aug 88 C10089 Palezieux GFM Bt 251 4th Aug 88 C10090 At Montreux with trains of the Montreux Oberland Bahn, again metre gauge. The gradient from the station up to Chamby and beyond is about 1 in 15, adhesion worked. Montreux MOB GDe44 6001 Regionalzug 4th Aug 88 C10093 Montreux MOB BDe4/4 5001 Montreux to Chamby 4th Aug 88 C10094 Montreux MOB GDe4/4 6001 Montreux to Zweisimmen 4th Aug 88 C10097 Lastly, still at Montreux, a train on the Montreux to Rochers de Naye line- Montreux Glion Naye. A rack railway, 800mm gauge. Montreux MGN Bhe4/8 Montreux to Rochers de Naye 4th Aug 88 C10098 David 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Hi Dave The trackwork in photo C10094 looks oh so like what a modeller might do. A gradient immediately after a 3-way turnout! Lovely. I assume the green light on the crossing is for the train disappearing up the slope. Keith EDIT Can't find that location where you stood on Google Earth. It all seems to have been re-developed around the station, although the 3 track depot and the MOB line climbing away are still there. Edited August 7, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 You can of course take a ride on the MOB from your computer https://www.webcam-4insiders.com/de/Wetter-Gstaad/102-Gstaad-Wetter-Webcam-Zweisimmen-Gstaad-Montreux.php Current state of track in Montreux today at 20:23:53 Brian G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Hi Dave The trackwork in photo C10094 looks oh so like what a modeller might do. A gradient immediately after a 3-way turnout! Lovely. I assume the green light on the crossing is for the train disappearing up the slope. Keith EDIT Can't find that location where you stood on Google Earth. It all seems to have been re-developed around the station, although the 3 track depot and the MOB line climbing away are still there. I was standing roughly by the scissors crossover in the Google Earth view. The building between the SBB standard gauge part of the station on the southern side of the railway and the MOB is new and the MOB track has been reorganised a lot. There is a lot of distortion in the Google Earth image. I think the green lights do refer to the train which has just left, the signals were not automatic. David Edited August 7, 2015 by DaveF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) The MOB has undergone a significant change in appearance in the past 2 decades: from, well essentially a rural backwater railway with some tourists on their trains, to a highly streamlined tourist railway with corresponding commercialisation. As a result, the Montreux MOB station has been significantly altered to provide for the wealthy foreign tourists, mainly the Asian market (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan) in a bid to entice even more of them to spend their Yens, Yuan etc in Switzerland. Maybe they will eventually get the third rail from Zweisimmen to Spiez to allow through running to the BLS main line? Keith EDIT I see there is a variable gauge bogied coach on trial, presumably for just such a link! Edited August 8, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2015 A visit to Luzern in 1988 today. Luzern LSE ABt19 Luzern to Engelberg 4th Aug 88 C10140 The LSE is the Luzern Stans Engelberg Bahn. The LSE and the SBB Brunig line (also metre gauge) now form the Zentralbahn. Luzern SBB Brunig Tmiii 599 4th Aug 88 C10141 Luzern Re44ii 11108 Zurich to Geneve 4th Aug 88 C10143 Luzern Ae47 10989 and Re66 11618 leaving with Weiacher Kies hoppers 4th Aug 88 C10150 This rake of wagons came in behind an Re6/6. As Luzern is a terminus it went out behind these two locos. I've no idea why a freight would work into Luzern. Luzern PTT Ee33 4 4th Aug 88 C10155 David 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 9, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2015 A trip to Austria in the Tardis today to look at Zell am See in the summer of 1991. Zell am See 1044 080 Zurich to Klagenfurt 30th July 91 C16052 Zell am See Tischerhausl 4030 317 31st July 91 C16064 Zell am See Tischlerhausl 2095 003 Krimml to Zell 31st July 91 C16077 Zell am See 1110 027 westbound goods 2nd Aug 91 C16108 Zell am See 1110 529 eastbound goods 3rd Aug 91 C16121 David 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Regarding C10150; I have a recollection that there are some rail connected industrial facilities next to the line that runs towards Interlaken (metre-gauge), which are served by a dual-gauge connection. Trains from this line would have to work into the station to reverse. Google Maps confirms this, though the images suggest the sidings haven't been used for a while. A search around the 'Arsenal' area shows them, including a flat crossing of a dual carriageway. Edited August 9, 2015 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Regarding C10150; I have a recollection that there are some rail connected industrial facilities next to the line that runs towards Interlaken (metre-gauge), which are served by a dual-gauge connection. Trains from this line would have to work into the station to reverse. Google Maps confirms this, though the images suggest the sidings haven't been used for a while. A search around the 'Arsenal' area shows them, including a flat crossing of a dual carriageway. This is all that is left of the line. AFAIK it was abandonded not long after the tunnel cut-off line was built, avoiding the flat crossings. Sternmattstrasse level crossing: https://goo.gl/maps/9WoMq Eichwaldstrasse crossing: https://goo.gl/maps/ixAyG Curious how the O/H was left in situ! Keith Edited August 9, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 10, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Switzerland in 1988 again today. This time the photos were taken at Brunnen, between Arth Goldau and Erstfeld on the northern approach to the Gotthard. Brunnen Dzt and RBe4/4 1482 Airolo to Zug 5th Aug 88 C10168 Brunnen Ae8/14 11801 northbound l e 5th Aug 88 C10173 This loco is preserved and is now "owned" by SBB Historic. Like a number of other SBB electrics it is kept in full working order and is used from time to time to ensure it works. Brunnen Re6/6 11625 IC Brussels to Milan 5th Aug 88 C10177 Brunnen Re6/6 11670 southbound freight 5th Aug 88 C10189 Brunnen Ae81/4 11801 southbound freight 5th Aug 88 C10191 David Edited August 10, 2015 by DaveF 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 10, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2015 That AE 8/14 is some beast. 7,400hp (if my maths is correct) and that was in 1931. Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 11, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2015 Today's 1988 Swiss photos were taken in Basel. Basel Re4/4i 10033 ecs 6th Aug 88 C10240 Basel Re4/4ii 11121 Interlaken Ost to Basel 6th Aug 88 C10245 Basel Re4/4ii 11300 6th Aug 88 C10247 Basel SNCF BB 20213 freight to Muttenz 6th Aug 88 C10251 This class are dual voltage, 15kV AC and 25kV AC. Basel Em3/3 18808 6th Aug 88 C10252 David 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 12, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) A visit to Brienz in Switzerland for this evening. Brienz is to the east of Interlaken on the SBB Brünig line from Luzern which is metre gauge, now a part of the ZentralBahn. There are also some photos of the Brienz Rothorn Bahn, which uses rack locos to climb to the summit of the Rothorn. This time we are almost exactly 24 years ago on 13th August 1991. Brienz SBB HGe4/4ii 101961 Interlaken Ost to Luzern 13th Aug 91 C16378 Brienz SBB Deh4/6 Luzern to Interlaken Ost 13th Aug 91 C16391 Brienz SBB HGe 4/4ii 101961 Luzern to Interlaken Ost 13th Aug 91 C16395 Brienz BRB H11/3 6 13th Aug 91 C16382 Brienz BRB H11/3 7 13th Aug 91 C16387 David Edited August 12, 2015 by DaveF 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 Travelled along the Brünig when we travelled from Interlaken to Luzern. The loco swaps end at the station at Meiringen (for Reichenbach falls) for the climb over the Brünig using rack assistance. Meiringen is also an end on junction with the MIB (Meiringen Innertkirchen Bahn) which has the same gauge but different O/H voltage. A visit to Aareschlucht (gorge) which is nearby is well worth a visit as is Ballenberg Museum of Swiss Buildings. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 13, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2015 Back to 1988 in Switzerland today with some photos taken at Baden. Baden is to the north west of Zürich on the main line to Olten with a number of other routes also available from the station. Baden Ae3/6i 10601 preserved 6th Aug 88 C10278 Baden Re4/4ii 11207 to Brugg 6th Aug 88 C10280 Baden Re44/ii 11268 Bern to Zurich Flughafen 6th Aug 88 C10283 Baden BDe4/4 1646 Wettingen to Zurzach 6th Aug 88 C10284 Baden Ae6/6 11454 to Brugg 6th Aug 88 C10286 David 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Travelled along the Brünig when we travelled from Interlaken to Luzern. The loco swaps end at the station at Meiringen (for Reichenbach falls) for the climb over the Brünig using rack assistance. Meiringen is also an end on junction with the MIB (Meiringen Innertkirchen Bahn) which has the same gauge but different O/H voltage. A visit to Aareschlucht (gorge) which is nearby is well worth a visit as is Ballenberg Museum of Swiss Buildings. Keith We took this line from Lucerne back to Spiez after a technical visit to Lucerne signalling centre; on the outskirts of Meiringen, I noticed a model railway in a lineside garden. I should add that we were not zipping along, so there was plenty of time to see things like this. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) We took this line from Lucerne back to Spiez after a technical visit to Lucerne signalling centre; on the outskirts of Meiringen, I noticed a model railway in a lineside garden. I should add that we were not zipping along, so there was plenty of time to see things like this. Google managed to capture both a Zentral Bahn EMU and a MIB unit in this streetview of Meiringen from June 2013: https://goo.gl/maps/Gc8K9 A view from the other side of the station (note the buffer stops) https://goo.gl/maps/oPVZs Which does not accord with the aerial view: https://goo.gl/maps/Kyn9H Keith Edited August 13, 2015 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 [edit: it appears that particular track actually has a dual-voltage system in place ] I noticed all that switchery atop the post. Let's hope nobody throws the switch at the wrong time else we'd have fried MIB unit! There appears to be a ZB unit parked a bit further on. Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Throughly enjoying these photographs which give great details for reference. Could I ask about the livery of the Ae 3/6i ( first photograph ) in post #306, does anyone here know what an equivalent colour could be used for modelling purposes please. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 13, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Throughly enjoying these photographs which give great details for reference. Could I ask about the livery of the Ae 3/6i ( first photograph ) in post #306, does anyone here know what an equivalent colour could be used for modelling purposes please. Cheers It is supposed to be painted in the standard brown the SBB used before they painted electrics green, but I don't know a match for it. I suspect (in fact I am pretty sure) that the colour balance in the photo is tending toward the magenta. I wasn't able to rebalance it before I posted it as I then got all the other colours wrong. I also think the paint on the loco had faded over the years it had been there. I think the one in the photo below is a more accurate colour rendering, there is certainly less colour cast. It also shows the difference in the appearance of the colour in sunlight and shade. You can also see it is not the colour the shunting locos were painted in 1988! Arth Goldau Ae3/6ii 10439 29th July 88 C9719 Edit: Post 31 on this thread may help: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/33463-questions-of-swiss-colour-and-french-numbers/page-2 Also this link to Phoenix Precision who say they have a few tins of various colours available: http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/cherry-paints/sale-items/european-colours.html and: http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/cherry-paints/sale-items/european-colours/rhymney-railway-coach-wagon-pack-10.html Second edit. One thing I learned from photographing a lot of Swiss locos - the colours vary, they also patch paint which highlights just how much colours fade/weather. You don't see it much on my photos of brown SBB locos as they are preserved ones, but the green ones varied a lot. So do some of the red ones if you look closely at where paint has been touched up. David Edited August 14, 2015 by DaveF 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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