RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2015 A second batch of slides from Zürich Oerlikon today. The last photo is the last one I took of a Swiss railway item in 1988, it was intended to form a final slide in a camera club talk. Zürich Oerlikon tram 2045 18th Aug 88 C11455 Zürich Oerlikon Geneve Aeroport to Zürich Flughafen Mk3 stock 18th Aug 88 C11458 Zürich Oerlikon RBe4/4 1442 Rapperswil Uster Zürich 18th Aug 88 C11475 Zürich Oerlikon Ae4/7 10927 to Effretikon 18th Aug 88 C11487 Zürich Oerlikon Ae4/7 10927 18th Aug 88 C11492 Zürich Oerlikon taillamp 18th Aug 88 C11493 David 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 9, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2015 Having left Switzerland today we'll go to the former East Germany to look at the Harzquerbahn. There will be more Swiss photos, I still have around 1,200 taken in 1988 plus those from other holidays - when I get chance to caption them. Wernigerode DR 99 7232 4 27th July 91 J12122 Allerbach 99 7222 Wernigerode to Nordhausen 27th July 91 C15995 Elend 99 72321 Wernigerode to Nordhausen 27th July 91 C16001 Drei Annen Hohne 99 7231 6 DR to Schierke 27th July 91 C16010 Wernigerode 99 7232 27th July 91 C16026 David 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted October 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2015 Good to see these pictures of the Harz, taken shortly after reunification and when (I presume) it was still part of the national system. Although still very impressive, it looks a lot cleaner and less 'gritty' these days! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 9, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Good to see these pictures of the Harz, taken shortly after reunification and when (I presume) it was still part of the national system. Although still very impressive, it looks a lot cleaner and less 'gritty' these days! Yes it was still part of DR - I'm not sure if DR and DB had been merged then, let alone anything being privatised. I think the Harquerbahn was privatised in 1993 It was still running the full timetable, with early morning workers trains and so on. The line up to the Brocken was not open when I was there that year - it opened that September if I remember correctly. Car parking at the stations was free then. The roads were still very poor in the areaand a lot of the roads now reopened across the border were still being rebuilt. The locals got quite excited to see a British car, children would come to look at it. David Edited October 9, 2015 by DaveF 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) I passed that way a couple of months earlier - and DB and DR were still separate entities. I thought they were merged in 1992, but Wikipedia has it as 1994 (so they must be right!). It was an interesting time to visit. Sadly, I didn't pass through Berlin at that time, instead making a circuitous route from Frankfurt (Oder) to Wernigerode, coming back from Czechoslovakia (as it would remain for a few more months) and Poland. It was quite interesting to see villages which had been divided by the border now reunited, fences removed and fresh tarmac linking the two halves. The watchtowers still stood as silent, empty sentinels to the passing era. Over by the Polish border, the dreadful sleaze of wall to wall sex shops was still in the future - one of the less pleasant aspects in the aftermath of reunification. Delving back deeper into the times of the DDR, the autobahns were designated as transit routes and most "western" vehicles were expected to keep to them and stick to an itinerary specified when visa applications were made. Western grades of petrol were available only to visitors with special coupons or payment in hard currency. Western vehicles straying off the beaten track were quite rare and British RHD cars a great curiosity. It was quite common to see people of all ages looking through the car from both sides - in general most of the Ossies wanted to be friendly but were shy of talking to strangers. I think I may have mentioned before about being pulled over for speeding (all of 2kph over the limit) outside Halle, but my mother being hauled out for a telling off - several red-faces when she returned to the front passenger seat and I drove off! Edited October 9, 2015 by EddieB 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2015 Having left Switzerland today we'll go to the former East Germany to look at the Harzquerbahn. David I like the way those narrow gauge locos have one buffer and two screw couplings rather than the more normal arrangement of two buffers and one screw coupling! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 10, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) A few from France in 1967 for today. Four were taken at Calais, the remaining one at Carling is in the coal mining area of North East France, quite close to Metz and not far from the German bosder. I remember on my trip to the coal face down one of the mines very near the border being told that if it was very quiet you could sometimes hear the German coal cutting machinery a short distance away. Calais MV Invicta entering harbour stern first Aug 67 J1025 Calais Ville SNCF X23000 Aug 67 J1029 Calais Maritime SNCF050TQ12 Shunting ecs Aug 67 J1036 Calais Maritime 050TQ12 Aug 67 J1038 Carling Houllieres Basin Lorraine Fauvert Girel BB 20 southbound goods Aug 67 J0994 David Edited October 10, 2015 by DaveF 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 In J1038, the posh-looking coach in the background - Pullman? Some named train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 10, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2015 In J1038, the posh-looking coach in the background - Pullman? Some named train? A Wagon Lits Pullman car - still in everyday service then. I can't remember which service they were used on at the time. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 11, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2015 Some more photos from Zell am See in Austria today. The sun doesn't always shine when I go on holiday. The station and the path along the lake were very pleasant places to watch the trains go by, whatever the weather. Zell am See 6030 317 Worgl to Salzburg 31st July91 C16079 Zell am See Class 1042 eastbound 2nd Aug 91 C 16100 Zell am See 4030 307 Salzburg to Kitzbuhl 2nd Aug 91 C16106 Zell am See DB 110 322 ecs from Sonderzug Aachen to Zell am See 3rd Aug 91 C16113 Zell am See 1110 505 eastbound goods 3rd Aug 91 C16119 David 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 12, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2015 Germany again today with another batch of photos from Assmannshausen, on the east bank of the Rhine. Assmannshausen 151023 northbound freight 2nd Aug 90 C14670 Assmannshausen110 419 probably Dortmund to Port Bau 2nd Aug 90 C14671 Assmannshausen 141 109 Wiesbaden to Koblenz 2nd Aug 90 C14675 Assmannshausen140 582 northbound freight 2nd Aug 90 C14676 Assmannshausen 141 355 Koblenz to Wiesbaden 19th Aug 91 C16519 David 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 13, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2015 A few from Denmark this afternoon Esbjerg Havn harbour DSB dmu 4246 13th Aug 92C17899g Kavslunde DSB dmu 4012 to Kobenhavn 13th Aug 92 C17829 Kolding IC3 dmu 5246 5646 5046 Kopenhagen to Struer 13th Aug 92 C17825 Norre Aby DSB dmu westbound 13th Aug 92 C17830 Norre Aby DSB IC3 dmu westbound 16th Aug 94 C19613 David 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2015 Saarbrücken in 1967 again for today's selection of photos. A mix of steam, diesel and electric. Saarbrücken DB VT98 and V60 Aug 67 J1008 Saarbrücken DB 23001 Aug 67 J1011 Saarbrücken DB E41 248 sothbound push pull Aug 67 J1014 Saarbrücken DB 23023 and 01062 Aug 67 J1016 Saarbrücken DB 01062 Aug 67 J1020 David 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Ooh! Practically the end of DB era III, just wonderful! Many thanks for posting, Dave. Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2015 J1016: loco 23023. This loco has actually survived and is now part of the museum collection of the SSN group (based in Rotterdam) Page on her, in Dutch: click Two more loco's of this series made it cross the border, loco's 23071 and 23076, both part of the collection at the VSM* (Loenen, in the Veluwe area). All three of these are operational and certified (and frequently used!) for mainline use. *link in Dutch, again Of the 105 strong BR23 series, 8 (including the aforementioned machines) have survived. Loco 23105 has been extensively damaged in a fire in 2005 but has since been restored cosmetically. Link in German: click If you click the Union Flag on the page you can get the article about 23023 in English: http://www.stoomstichting.nl/Display.php?Subject=23%20023&Language=EN Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 15, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2015 Switzerland in August 1991 today with a few images from Kleine Scheidegg where those going to Jungfraujoch leave their WAB train to join the JB (Jungfrau Bahn). Many people only travel as far as Kleine Scheidegg, have a walk and often a meal or snack - very enjoyable on a fine day. Kleine Scheidegg JB BDeh2/4 12th Aug 91 C16321 Kleine Scheidegg JB BDeh2/4 12th Aug 91 C16324 Kleine Scheidegg JB BDeh2/4 12th Aug 91 C16325 Kleine Scheidegg WAB BDhe4/4 12th Aug 91 C16341 Kleine Scheidegg WAB BDhe4/4 118 12th Aug 91 C16344 David 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 16, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Austria in August 1991 today with some photos taken in Insbruck. Innsbruck 4020 110 5th Aug 91 C16151 Innsbruck 1044 030 5th Aug 91 C16156 Innsbruck DB 111 011 EC Paganini Bologna to Dortmund 5th Aug 91 C16162 Innsbruck 4010 015 5th Aug 91 C16163 Innsbruck 1110 519 southbound freight 5th Aug 91 C16170 David Edited October 16, 2015 by DaveF 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2015 Seeing those photos with the orange liveried Eurofima coaches, I've always wondered how far they got from their "home" networks. I've seen SNCB ones far from Belgium, presumably because of the many international overnight/motorail services they were used on, but most of the time I didn't bother to look at the railway logo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 17, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2015 Germany today, by the River Rhine close to the Loreley. They were taken whilst on the way to Switzerland by car. Loreley opposite Class 103 northbound 2nd Aug 90 C14655 Loreley 2nd Aug 90 C14658 Loreley Class 140 southbound freight 2nd Aug 90 C14660 Loreley opposite Class 103 southbound 2nd Aug 90 C14662 Loreley Classes 150 and 141 northbound freight 2nd Aug 90 C14665 David 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 18, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2015 Switzerland today, this time at Rorschach and Rorscach Hafen, in the north east. Rorschach Hafen station lies next to the Bodensee (Lake Constance) and can flood. I have photos in a book which show electric engines the Re4/4ii Bo-Bo as in C16210 and C16214 below) running through water covering the track. Perhaps Swiss electricity isn't like ours. Rorschach Bm6/6 18511 on tunnel rescue train 7th Aug 91 C16208 Rorschach Re4/4ii 11284 Schaffhausen to Rorscach 7th Aug 91 C16210 Rorschach Hafen RHB ABDe2/4 24 Rorscach Hafen to Heiden 7th Aug 91 C16212 Rorschach Heiden Bergbahn Rorschach Hafen SBB MV Zurich and MV Thurgau 7th Aug 91 C16213 Rorschach Hafen SBB Re4/4ii 11284 7th Aug 91 C16214 David 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 18, 2015 Switzerland today, this time at Rorschach and Rorscach Hafen, in the north east. Rorschach Hafen station lies next to the Bodensee (Lake Constance) and can flood. I have photos in a book which show electric engines the Re4/4ii Bo-Bo as in C16210 and C16214 below) running through water covering the track. Perhaps Swiss electricity isn't like ours. David No it's not it's only 16.7 Hz Actually I don't think it would make any difference when wet! I read somewwhere that the low frequency was used apparantly because early motors were really only DC motors used on AC and they worked better at 1/3 mains frequency! These days it would probably be 50Hz if they were starting from scratch. Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted October 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 18, 2015 I read somewwhere that the low frequency was used apparantly because early motors were really only DC motors used on AC and they worked better at 1/3 mains frequency! Correct! The LBSCR used a similar setup when it electrified the South London Line because they recognized that AC transmission was far superior to DC methods and that providing the frequency was kept low enough DC traction motors could be used without the need for conversion of the supply. The only reason long length DC schemes became economic was the invention around 1930 of the Mercury Arc rectifier, thus permitting unmanned compact substations over the large, staffed rotary converters needed in earlier schemes to turn AC into DC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 18, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2015 I was thinking more of the problems of running electric locos through water, the wheels would cause some spray. I have ridden on a train in Austria hauled by an electric loco running through water which was above rail height. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I was thinking more of the problems of running electric locos through water, the wheels would cause some spray. I have ridden on a train in Austria hauled by an electric loco running through water which was above rail height. David The main problem would be the additional wear on the axles and axle-bearings, which serve as part of the return path for the traction current; I remember being shown an axle at Ashford works which had suffered because of this. The wear was very noticeable. Were there any water ingress into the traction motors, there would be further problems. Regarding the choice of frequency on the South London electrification; wasn't this undertaken by Siemens, which was why the project ground to a halt with the start of WW1. It had been intended to electrify as far as Brighton, but only part of the LB&SCR's suburban lines were completed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted October 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Regarding the choice of frequency on the South London electrification; wasn't this undertaken by Siemens, which was why the project ground to a halt with the start of WW1. It had been intended to electrify as far as Brighton, but only part of the LB&SCR's suburban lines were completed. While it is correct to say the LBSCR equipment was indeed designed and supplied by a German company (though possibly not Siemens) and the board did have an eye to electrification of the main line to Brighton, firm proposals were only published on the eve of grouping. The focus in terms of planning and resources was very much geared to completing the suburban network before heading south of Coulsdon - something which WW1 prevented from happening as originally planned. Edited October 19, 2015 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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