bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hi, Is anyone aware of available plans or models for paddle steamers suitable for a German layout. Happy to scratch build but I'm having a problem finding any details or kits available. There are a few photographs of early Rhine steamers and quite a few showing similar vessels on the Swiss lakes but I'm having difficulty with any specific details (I've put all sorts of combinations in the search engines!) Any help would be most welcome. p.s. 1:87 scale or as near as ( if plans are available I'm happy with whatever scale they are produce in ) Just for interest I've scratch built these in the past if anyone is interested Cheers for now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hi one and all, Just to clarify and maybe help my search the attached photos are the type of vessel I am looking to model Any help would be most gratefully received. Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 The book "Die Geschichte der Schiffahrt auf dem Thuner und Brienzersee" has plans, but you will need to enlarge them. As an alternative "Mit Kohle, Dampf und Schaufelradern". Somewhere I seem to recall that you could download a paper model of a paddle steamer like the one you show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 This site has card models in 1:100. http://www.schreiber-bogen.com/cat.php?dev=1&ac=2&t=5 I know nothing about the firm apart from what is on the website but it may help. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Somewhere I seem to recall that you could download a paper model of a paddle steamer like the one you show. Think you mean the PS Rigi which is in the Swiss Transport Museum at Lucerne. Download available at http://dolfmeister.com/extras/downloads/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not sure if this might be of assistance https://www.asme.org/getmedia/a0247491-2852-48e9-80b0-97cc403469c6/200-Paddle-Steamer-Uri-1901.aspx I have a feeling I once saw drawings of a Swiss vessel in "The Engineer", but can't swear to it - or say which volume. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/The_Engineer_%28Bound_Volumes%29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Thank you for all the replies, it is very much appreciated when other members of this parish take the time to help. I'll look at all the above and see what comes up. Thank you all very much. Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 The book "Die Geschichte der Schiffahrt auf dem Thuner und Brienzersee" has plans, but you will need to enlarge them. As an alternative "Mit Kohle, Dampf und Schaufelradern". Somewhere I seem to recall that you could download a paper model of a paddle steamer like the one you show. This site has card models in 1:100. http://www.schreiber-bogen.com/cat.php?dev=1&ac=2&t=5 I know nothing about the firm apart from what is on the website but it may help. Tony Think you mean the PS Rigi which is in the Swiss Transport Museum at Lucerne. Download available at http://dolfmeister.com/extras/downloads/ Not sure if this might be of assistance https://www.asme.org/getmedia/a0247491-2852-48e9-80b0-97cc403469c6/200-Paddle-Steamer-Uri-1901.aspx I have a feeling I once saw drawings of a Swiss vessel in "The Engineer", but can't swear to it - or say which volume. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/The_Engineer_(Bound_Volumes) Oops, tried to multi quote, didn't work first time , apologies !!! Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 The book "Die Geschichte der Schiffahrt auf dem Thuner und Brienzersee" has plans, but you will need to enlarge them. As an alternative "Mit Kohle, Dampf und Schaufelradern". Somewhere I seem to recall that you could download a paper model of a paddle steamer like the one you show. Hi Mike, The first book reference would appear to be the tome to go for, however, a search on a well know site (sounds like a South American rainforest, you know the one) has one copy at £70+ which, although I have purchased many good books on ships.......hmmmm? The second suggestion will probably be more acceptable and might reveal some more interest. Thanks again, you time is much appreciated Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not sure if this might be of assistance https://www.asme.org/getmedia/a0247491-2852-48e9-80b0-97cc403469c6/200-Paddle-Steamer-Uri-1901.aspx I have a feeling I once saw drawings of a Swiss vessel in "The Engineer", but can't swear to it - or say which volume. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/The_Engineer_(Bound_Volumes) Thank you for the information about "Uri", it gives me something to work upon with the general sections through the hull and could possibly be scaled for the purpose. I'll give it a go Thank you. Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I have a feeling I once saw drawings of a Swiss vessel in "The Engineer", but can't swear to it - or say which volume. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/The_Engineer_%28Bound_Volumes%29 Also if you are interested in the machinery of the Swiss Paddle Steamers there is an article on it in the June 24 1927 edition of the Engineer http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/c/c7/Er19270624.pdf. Not immediately aware of any with drawings of the vessels themselves but will have another look through the stuff I have collected over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Also if you are interested in the machinery of the Swiss Paddle Steamers there is an article on it in the June 24 1927 edition of the Engineer http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/c/c7/Er19270624.pdf. Not immediately aware of any with drawings of the vessels themselves but will have another look through the stuff I have collected over the years. Thank you I appreciate your time Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted April 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2015 If you can find a s\h copy of 'The illustrated history of paddle steamers' (Hilton, pub. Lausanne 1976) it has good drawings of Uri & Major Davel, side, plan & cutaway drawings Usual sellers stock it at reasonable cost Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hi Mike, The first book reference would appear to be the tome to go for, however, a search on a well know site (sounds like a South American rainforest, you know the one) has one copy at £70+ which, although I have purchased many good books on ships.......hmmmm? Try Bookfinder.com - there are 4 copies on there cheaper than that (plus the one you found on Amazon, and another more expensive). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 If you can find a s\h copy of 'The illustrated history of paddle steamers' (Hilton, pub. Lausanne 1976) it has good drawings of Uri & Major Davel, side, plan & cutaway drawings Usual sellers stock it at reasonable cost Dava Book ordered, 1st edition, £ 12.00 so, let's see what details are within Thank you for the info Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted April 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2015 Grahame, Hope you like it, should be worth it Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Had a look through the information I have and found these side views of the Luke Lucerne paddle steamers which might be of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Had a look through the information I have and found these side views of the Luke Lucerne paddle steamers which might be of interest. Hi grow45, Sorry I haven't responded to your post here, I've just caught up with "things" ! I very much appreciate the pictures you've posted and some books are on the way too, in the meantime I've made a start on my model, here's a sneaky peek : Further photographs will be taken as I progress and will be posted in due course if anyone wishes to see my efforts. Cheers for now and thank you all once again for the help. Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Had a look through the information I have and found these side views of the Luke Lucerne paddle steamers which might be of interest. Hi grow45, Sorry I haven't responded to your post here, I've just caught up with "things" ! I very much appreciate the pictures you've posted and some books are on the way too, in the meantime I've made a start on my model, here's a sneaky peek : image.jpg Further photographs will be taken as I progress and will be posted in due course if anyone wishes to see my efforts. Cheers for now and thank you all once again for the help. Grahame That looks very good. Is the hull plating just thin ply glued to the shaped ribs/cross pieces? The problems with shaping the hull are what has always put me off having a go at scratch building one. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 That looks very good. Is the hull plating just thin ply glued to the shaped ribs/cross pieces? The problems with shaping the hull are what has always put me off having a go at scratch building one. Thanks Thank you for your comments, much appreciated. The hull is made of 1mm thick ply which is formed around the flat base and the ribs which were shaped as per the plan I worked to. To be perfectly honest I "just took the bull by the horns" so to speak and gave it a go with my first model, as per earlier photographs posted above. It may surprise you what can be achieved once you follow a logic build and if you have a decent plan to follow and lay the frames out ( as per the real shipbuilders would do) it seems to work I've found. If you're unsure of making one in wood why not download a card model first and try out your skills, then just transfer the templates to your chosen material. It could be plasticard or ply. Give it a go, you may be surprised ! Footnote: I'm primarily a railway modeller, but, seeing the Thames barge I thought I'd try making one for a harbour scene on a previous layout and once I'd started I found both the modelling and research very enjoyable ( be warned ! You too could get hooked !!!) I will be posting details of the model in the near future if anyone is interested with pictures of various build stages. She is currently about half completed. Happy modelling everyone, happy modelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schweizerjodl Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Hi one and all, Just to clarify and maybe help my search the attached photos are the type of vessel I am looking to model image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Any help would be most gratefully received. Grahame How about this web site. I bought this model and it was sent well packed. It appears to be more OO than HO scale, but looks excellent. http://shop.sirius-marine.com/model-ships-and-boats/280-howentwiel-paddle-steamer-87647.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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