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Amazed to see that it went to Southampton after all the trouble taken to shoe-horn it into the shed. I wondered if that would be a final move.

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It's a stunning layout and what's more plenty happening too. My comments about the lights were just an observation that some of that detail, on the overhead railway and industrial tracks beneath was pretty dark because of the lack of ambient light in the theatre. When I saw it at Warley that wasn't a problem and seeing it again was one of the best reasons for dragging myself out of bed early after a week of nights ;) Well worth it as the show as a whole was good too.

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If you can solve the lighting conundrum so that the layout can be lit more easily without any obstruction of the view from the front of the layout I am sure Mike would be delighted. 

 

To be honest, the Theatre was even darker than we expected

 

Baz

Would working yard or street lamps help?

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Amazed to see that it went to Southampton after all the trouble taken to shoe-horn it into the shed. I wondered if that would be a final move.

It's back safely in the shed now, despite the van being nearly blown off the road on the way back. it should be working again soon but first we'll put it up sort of inside out so that Mr. oliver can finish weathering the overhead.

It's booked to appear at Liverpool exhibition next year but otherwise no bookings, not sure why, it's always very popular with the punters.

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Sadly I was away for the last few weeks and got back too late for the Southampton show. I would definitely gone down there to see this layout.

 

Perhaps a strip of LED lights mounted to the rear of a safety barrier???

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so I managed to sort out my stock boxes over the weekend. As usual one of Mikes' wagons was lurking in a stock box but I am short of a number of silver tankers... plenty of time to get things repaired before the next outing for the layout.

 

Baz

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Having kept an eye on Mikes progress of Herculaneum dock and seen it in Southampton, apart from the request of better lighting, is there any chance of raising the height of the layout?

A lot of the interesting industrial stuff appeared to be hidden under the L.O.R, so bended knees / back was required to look underneath.

 

Gordon A

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We would have to be stood on boxes to see over the rock wall at the back then. Perhaps we should provide some chairs at the front when it's not too busy, if anyone remembers Cwmafon back in the 1980s Barry O's dad used to find a chair or a stool and sit in front of it all day.

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We would have to be stood on boxes to see over the rock wall at the back then. Perhaps we should provide some chairs at the front when it's not too busy, if anyone remembers Cwmafon back in the 1980s Barry O's dad used to find a chair or a stool and sit in front of it all day.

Ken Nelson used to find a stool and work the loco shed all day.

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A lady in a wheelchair commented on the height of the layout - but didn't realise there was more layout behind the LOR.

 

If I could have found some chairs at southampton a few in front of teh layout would have been strategically placed.

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So, last night in the pub after our last club meeting in temple works, a few led based lighting ideas were chewed over. Using dimmable LEDs fitted in a box along the front of the layout a solution to being able to see under the impression umbrella may be up for further review.

Why dimmable LEDs? The umbrella provided a dark cover over the dock railway making it a bit dark and gloomy.

 

At some point I shall be finishing the weathering on the umbrella, that's when some extra low level lighting will come into its own

Baz

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Barry that sounds good, you may also find it's necessary to trial something to diffuse the LED's as you can get reflections on the rail showing the multiple individual points of light.

It depends really on how high your rig is, the closer it gets the more it reflects. I use a aluminium angle to bounce the light off the brushed surface but tracing paper or frosted plastic also work in front of the LED's as there's minimal heat created.

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Paul

 

its getting the light low enough not to sit up along the edge of the baseboard and not to dazzle the operators. It isn't generally a problem but at Southampton the theatre was very dark.. far more than at Warley

 

baz

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Just for interest here was my solution. A plastic L strip from B&Q, sold in the stand with the other metal angle materials, It shileds the LED.s from the operator and controls the lit area to just above the backscene so you don't get a line on there. You only get dazzled if you are right on the top of the backscene. Hopefully this exaggerated diagram explains it.

 

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Non-technical suggestion: If even the so called "warm white" LEDs are too harshly blue-white for your tastes (and they are far bluer than incandescent bulbs or halogens from what I've seen) then just go over part of the lens of each LED unit with an orange highlighter pen until the desired "warmth" of white is achieved.

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Just for interest here was my solution. A plastic L strip from B&Q, sold in the stand with the other metal angle materials, It shileds the LED.s from the operator and controls the lit area to just above the backscene so you don't get a line on there. You only get dazzled if you are right on the top of the backscene. Hopefully this exaggerated diagram explains it.

 

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Yes but Herculaneum Dock is 4ft wide in the middle, although narrower at the ends.

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Yes but Herculaneum Dock is 4ft wide in the middle, although narrower at the ends.

Well the example I posted on the previous page was 3.5 feet deep in the middle and that was done with wood supports ;)

The supports could be bolted instead of riveted so they fold flat for transport, it is very lightweight.

Just ideas I've played with and I know that theatre was very dark with little ambient light but I've been put on similarly dark stages a few times and switching on the spotlights roasted us so it was a bit catch 22. ;)

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Doesn't matter what happens we always seem to be short of brake vans so...

 

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while the 4 wheeler has been used before a new edition - in this case a Jidenco 6 wheel ex CLC brake van. 

 

A couple of other ex LM unfitted brakes are in process as well.

 

Baz

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Could be some more weathering of the Liverpool Overhead Railway structure can be done shortly. Hopefully with it all in one piece on the layout I can match all of the weathering up!

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Typical! I have been to weather the overhead just when the temperature drops! Now all complete (he says hopefully) no photos though as it was all still drying when I left.

 

Hopefully Mike can add some photos before the layout is moved back into position.

 

Baz

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The cold air is healthy. It also helps to prolong drying times, giving you more chance to get things perfect.....

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Ta very much for that .. expect the sub tropical temperatures to continue when I go to do some "helping" next week on Grantham... as it is you need warmth to dry teh ink so you can see what shade it has dried as...

 

Baz

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Shed still freezing cold today but I've managed to get some photos of Barry's weathering.

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some views along the line from Herculaneum to Toxteth

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close up shows the weathering better

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I'm opening out the cutting leading to Liverpool Central now this is no longer part of the fiddle yard. Caryl Street is being extended as far as Park Street, Taurus in temporary use as a test loco.

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must get round to fixing that signal arm back on the 3 doll signal.

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Unfortunately, there is no button for Incredible-and Incredible to operate as well, I imagine.  A classic layout in the making.

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