RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 31, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2017 Thanks, is it a B4 loco though? Yes a B4. It was a Bournemouth 71B allocated loco from May 1949 'til withdrawal from BR in April 1960 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Ah, Poole Custom House, as copied by John Harrison for his 'Torpoint' layout. So recognisable - even if I've never seen it in the flesh. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 The only train you'll see on Poole Quay nowadays is one of those 'orrible rubber tyred tractor an' trailer things you get at all touristy places nowadays ................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 The only train you'll see on Poole Quay nowadays is one of those 'orrible rubber tyred tractor an' trailer things you get at all touristy places nowadays ................ And you will be amazed at the family and friends which will go and point these things out to me and say "oh look, there is a train..." like as if I am supposed to leap up and down like an excited puppy. This and other vaguely train shaped objects I have no interest in period. They do not understand... Now if it were a B4 model or real thing, well that is exciting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2018 And you will be amazed at the family and friends which will go and point these things out to me and say "oh look, there is a train..." like as if I am supposed to leap up and down like an excited puppy. This and other vaguely train shaped objects I have no interest in period. They do not understand... Now if it were a B4 model or real thing, well that is exciting. You must be the yearly recipient of Mallard, painted red, emblazoned "It's your birthday....." "It comes around, but once a year" "Give a smile, give a cheer" "We'll try not to notice, as you sing the song" "That the wheels are wonky, and the colours all wrong" Whaddya mean, you like trains, dontcha? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: Toolboxes on B4s are best described as a movable feast, coming and going over the years and not always returning precisely whence they came. There are other variations to fittings depending on whether the loco was constructed during the tenure of Mr. Adams or Mr. Drummond. The latter being more properly referred to as Class K14 (in the immortal words of the Ian Allan ABC): "Introduced 1908 with smaller boiler and detail differences". Definitely a need for reliably dated photos of your chosen loco at your chosen period if you want to get things dead right. John Edited January 3, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Whe And you will be amazed at the family and friends which will go and point these things out to me and say "oh look, there is a train..." like as if I am supposed to leap up and down like an excited puppy. This and other vaguely train shaped objects I have no interest in period. They do not understand... Now if it were a B4 model or real thing, well that is exciting. When the B4 finally appears, please would you not post a video of it but instead post a video of you leaping up and down like an excited puppy? Please, please? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2018 In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: Are those stubs on top of the tank, bolts where the toolbox would have been fastened down, if it were present ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Are those stubs on top of the tank, bolts where the toolbox would have been fastened down, if it were present ? Judging by the hinges and knob, it looks like Granville might have a toolbox set into the tank. Or is it a lid for a coal bunker? John Edited January 3, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Whe When the B4 finally appears, please would you not post a video of it but instead post a video of you leaping up and down like an excited puppy? Please, please? Eh. No. Instead everyone who ever pointed out these odd train shaped objects will be made to sit with swords to their throats and forced to watch every un boxing video of the B4 that exists. I,m expecting two B4s and will do each an un boxing video lasting an hour.... Edited January 3, 2018 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Toolboxes on B4s are best described as a movable feast, coming and going over the years and not always returning precisely whence they came. There are other variations to fittings depending on whether the loco was constructed during the tenure of Mr. Adams or Mr. Drummond. The latter being more properly referred to as Class K14 (in the immortal words of the Ian Allan ABC): "Introduced 1908 with smaller boiler and detail differences". Definitely a need for reliably dated photos of your chosen loco at your chosen period if you want to get things dead right. John Indeed, yes. Just as well, then, that all the current Dapol models are Adams locos (B4s, rather than K14s) with Adams boilers and so, therefore, Nos. 30089, 30096 and 96 boilers should look the same as Granville's. In the picture, the toolbox on the top of Granville's right-hand tank has been removed, thus affording an excellent view forward, which would not otherwise be possible. As you say, however, the toolbox positions certainly vary. Sometimes there is only one and sometimes none. Pre-War, I believe the tank tops lacked lifting brackets, oilboxes or boiler/tank brackets, so tank top details did change, but not so the boiler, so Dapol's boiler and boiler bands should match Granville's. Edited January 3, 2018 by Edwardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism993 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: Noticed the band on the top of Granville - could it be possible that Dapol will be the first Model Railway supplier to be criticised for NOT having a mould line on the boiler ? Chris. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: Eee - the state of that boiler and tank tops ........ "G-Granville - fur-fur ... f-fetch yer cloth !" Edited January 5, 2018 by Wickham Green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 Eee - the state of that boiler and tank tops ........ "Granville - fetch yer cloth !" Damn, beat me to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) p...p...p..p..p.p....p....perfect. (no disrespect intended to sufferers of stammering) Edited January 4, 2018 by Ian J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 B4 tank was was used on the Dover seafront line in the 1950s. Cant get much further east. Anyone know the running numbers of the Dover ones? Thanks Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 In terms of boiler bands and fittings and tank top, these pictures make an interesting comparison: Loved the picture of an actual tank top. There'd be hell to pay if a model accurately represented all that gash of badly fitted plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mclong Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2018 Anyone know the running numbers of the Dover ones? Thanks Luke The longest serving B4 at Dover was 30084 from 1951 to 1959. 30083 and 30086 also made appearances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 You must be the yearly recipient of Mallard, painted red, emblazoned "It's your birthday....." "It comes around, but once a year" "Give a smile, give a cheer" "We'll try not to notice, as you sing the song" "That the wheels are wonky, and the colours all wrong" Whaddya mean, you like trains, dontcha? A friend of mine, well known for his sense of humour, had a Hornby A4 painted in Midland Red (his favourite line) and named 'Cuckoo'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 The longest serving B4 at Dover was 30084 from 1951 to 1959. 30083 and 30086 also made appearances. Back in May I ordered 30082 to back-date to 83 in Bulleid livery ( identical details - wish I could find that site again ! ) ................. looks like I'm getting 30089 instead ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2018 One for the shunting plank, methinks. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 One for the shunting plank, methinks. Ian. Just the one... they're only tiny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just the one... they're only tiny ......... might have to double head with one of the yankee tanks ( which without the tungsten chassis originally envisaged failed the RPSPOT individually ) .............. or maybe I'll go for a P ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 ......... might have to double head with one of the yankee tanks ( which without the tungsten chassis originally envisaged failed the RPSPOT individually ) .............. or maybe I'll go for a P ...... Good choice, I couldn't resist getting both either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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