sir douglas Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Yesterday afternoon at Ally Pally i had the idea to pose my Kitson with 3 of Jamies Heysham coal wagons to somewhat recreate Polly at Monks Ferry Green Ayre at Alexandra Palace (1) by Sam, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 im bringing up the thread again as a new pic on ebay has been posted https://picclick.co.uk/CORRINGHAM-LIGHT-RlyKITSON-TRAM-ENGINE-then-BARRY-Proper-R-P-P-C-142453479092.html#&gid=1&pid=1 the thing is that it says, corringham then barry, but "cordite" was on the corringham right up to scrapping and didnt have sprung buffers, "Polly" as well never had sprung buffers and the boiler was different after the rebuild in wrexham so this leads me to believe that the photo in question is of the missing sister of the triplets which went unrecorded after the 1893 rebuild 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 ive been corrected again by those in the know, the pic on ebay is of Cordite, my assumption was that she didnt have sprung buffers based on the pic that Toffee say is Corringham back on page 1 with bumb buffers but this loco also has the curves on the back sheet welded up just like cordite Cordite photo in question from ebay that ive now been informed is also cordite and the photo that im not of now because it doesnt look quite right to be Cordite in comparison to the above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 There are several almost identical views as this one. I think there was some speculation that it was taken at J F Wake's in Darlington but that the actual location was Darlington shed. Perhaps the following, from The Industrial Locomotive No 112, might help: "Assuming this ledger to be correct, WLR number 10 recorded as sold to Richard White would be T110, and thus presumed to be the loco later with Price & Reeves, Buchanans and subsequently photographed at Darlington. We know from observation at Rea Monks Ferry that the Liverpool Overhead loco was stamped T111. Which leaves T109 to be with Linton & Green, Barry Docks, and eventually at the Corringham Light Railway. I think. Vic Bradley Church Stretton" On the West Lancs T109 was "Hesketh" (No. 12), T110 was "Churchdown" (No. 10), and T111 "Crossens" (No. 11) Vic Bradley started with an article entitled "Three Troublesome Kitsons" in Industrial Locomotive No. 99, and there was further discussion until the above quoted seemed to bring the matter to a close. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'm glad this thread has resurfaced. 'Lively Polly' is one of the best names for a locomotive I've ever heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2017 I recently acquired a few ancient copies of MRN. The October 1939 issue has an article on Polly with photos that haven't been on the thread so far. Would it be OK to scan it and post here? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 yes please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted July 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2017 OK, here we go. (Mods, if this is still in copyright I claim Fair Use.) The original page size is only slightly larger than A5. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 "Screw copyright, hows anybody supposed to learn anything" words to live by, thank you good sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Credit to Micheal Davis on Facebook for these Troublesome kitsons, The industrial no 99 from 2001 some of the pages have been accidentally duplicated by micheal but it doesnt matter scans of an article Darlington coal yard Kitson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Credit to Micheal Davis on Facebook for these Troublesome kitsons, The industrial no 99 from 2001 some of the pages have been accidentally duplicated by micheal but it doesnt matter Troublesome Kitsons.pdf scans of an article Darlington coal yard Kitson kitson - darlington coal yard (1).jpg kitson - darlington coal yard (2).jpg kitson - darlington coal yard (3).jpg kitson - darlington coal yard (4).jpg Sam I have no idea how you do it but my friend you never cease to amaze. Great stuff for making a good little Kitson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 it's no so elusive now is it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 it's no so elusive now is it! Indeed my friend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) Re the Tri-Ang locos, I believe they were named Nellie, Connie and Polly after the locos on the Emmett miniature Railway at the Festival of Britain. Edited July 30, 2017 by rockershovel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2017 OK, here we go. (Mods, if this is still in copyright I claim Fair Use.) livelypolly1.jpglivelypolly2.jpglivelypolly3.jpg The original page size is only slightly larger than A5. The platelayers hut van runs on Herculaneum Dock in OO. It's a nice item. By the time of Mikes' model Polly had been replaced by a Ruston. Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hando Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 30/07/2017 at 07:24, rockershovel said: Re the Tri-Ang locos, I believe they were named Nellie, Connie and Polly after the locos on the Emmett miniature Railway at the Festival of Britain. The locos on Rowland Emett's miniature railway (Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Railway) included Nellie, but the other engines were called Neptune and Wild Goose. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Earlier in the year i got an issue of Bylines (vol 2 Issue 5) for the article about the Eyemouth branch, but an extra little bonus in the letter section is also a photo of Polly and bucket wagon in May 1958 by a Mr C. Golding. he also provides a photo of an Andrew Barclay at Cooke & Nuttall's in Horchich with a different but same type of wagon. Mr Golding writes that these wagons were used at Ifton Colliery and still in mainline use into the late 50's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_41241 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 23/04/2015 at 04:59, 844fan said: That is a neat little engine. But I do believe that is not Lively Polly. For one thing Lively Polly had Dumb Buffers and was never fitted with properly sprung ones. But that one does seem to be from Liverpool for the right line. Maybe it was her replacement when she went to Monks Ferry. You have given me another puzzle here David. And that is fine by me as I like these little shunters. Maybe I should rename the topic to Liverpool Overheas steam. Thank you much, 844fan Hi, this loco is hudswell clarke 402 Lord Mayor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 Man have I been a fool for how long I have been gone. In the interest of all Polly lovers I am reviving this thread for picture and detail purposes. This tank needs more love, just like Gazelle but that is another thread for another time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 another one came up on facebook about 2 days ago 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 15/04/2022 at 05:04, sir douglas said: another one came up on facebook about 2 days ago Very nice! We can see the caps of her cylinders gives good feel of depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted April 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2022 I still have no idea of the colour Polly was on the LOR - certainly not black in this photo, the cab is clearly not the same colour as the smokebox. It might well not ave had red buffer beams either, the LOR trains only had small splashes of red on the truss rod ends. Polly doesn't have the LOR central buffers which seem to been added later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Michael Edge said: I still have no idea of the colour Polly was on the LOR - certainly not black in this photo, the cab is clearly not the same colour as the smokebox. It might well not ave had red buffer beams either, the LOR trains only had small splashes of red on the truss rod ends. Polly doesn't have the LOR central buffers which seem to been added later. Truth is unless we have a program on computer which can tell what color the shades of grey were we may probably never know. I mean we all know why the house in the Adams' family showed up so well was due to bright pink paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted April 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2022 If I ever build it for Herculaneum Dock I'll have to make some sort of guess about the colour, although it looks black in later photos at Monks Ferry. I had the same problem with its successor, the RH 48DS, but eventually decided it was probably in Ruston's standard green livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 WALKER'S FALSTAFF ALES I don't think that's been about for decades! ISTR it was seen as the "dockers drink". Still a few pub signs about in some of the pubs. A couple of old images here. https://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-US/noartistknown/police-try-to-control-fans-in-the-streets-of-liverpool-before-the-premiere-of-the-beatles-film-a/photograph/asset/5100946 https://www.prints-online.com/social-liverpool-pub-4366206.html Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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