JZ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 What happened to the old type salt wagons on nationalisation? Can't find any pictures of this type in any books I've got. Quite fancy a couple for variety, but would they be prototypical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy crockett Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Do you mean this http://Dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=177_60_85_114 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 What happened to the old type salt wagons on nationalisation? Can't find any pictures of this type in any books I've got. Quite fancy a couple for variety, but would they be prototypical? They certainly ran after Nationalisation, and well into the BR steam era. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2015 Two are shown in this thread from last week, scroll down for the pictures: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98504-misc-wagons-seen-at-eastleigh-in-1950/ Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 They remained as PO wagon in use with their owners as they were exempt from Pooling in 1939 and remained so till their owners withdrew them from use! The Post 1939 photo's can be identified as they have NP or Non Pool branding! There are two photo's that have been on here in the last month but I can't remember the title! David Larkin has published some in his original PO book by Bradford & Barton many years ago! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Check out the 16 mineral wagon thread - there's a link posted by "Porcy Maine" today to a picture of a Clayton on an entire train of these...............?? EDIT - see below - not quite the same wagons Edited April 28, 2015 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The wagons in the Clayton picture at Roslin are Leith General Warehousing grain wagons. They looked similar to salt wagons but you can just see the letters LGW on the sides of the wagons. Roddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 There were also some salt wagons with arc roofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They must have lasted a while, as Hornby Dublo did a model in the 1960s of one in Saxa Salt livery. I would guess that at the time the model came out they must have still been about as Hornby Dublo liked to make models of current locomotives and rolling stock for the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Don't know if any still exist but have seen a wagon with that style of roof near Somerton in a field. Just visible over the hedge https://www.google.com/maps/@51.056995,-2.696521,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4DNo5Pqih8MbRY0oAhK-cg!2e0 Edited April 29, 2015 by stadman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Don't know if any still exist but have seen a wagon with that style of roof near Somerton in a field. Just visible over the hedge https://www.google.com/maps/@51.056995,-2.696521,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4DNo5Pqih8MbRY0oAhK-cg!2e0 I was looking at a full-sized one today elsewhere, though sadly it is in a very sorry state. I'm pretty sure some others survive - I think Snibson museum may have had one, but I don't know where it is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) The SRPS have one in Saxa Salt livery at Bo'ness http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10100.htm While similar in appearance the Leith General Warehouse wagons are hopper wagons and have roof hatches and no side doors. http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10042.htm Edited January 14, 2018 by JeremyC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I was looking at a full-sized one today elsewhere, though sadly it is in a very sorry state. I'm pretty sure some others survive - I think Snibson museum may have had one, but I don't know where it is now. A site on wagons (Related to the coach one) states the Somerton one as being of Chas Robert maker. Salt and the atmosphere have taken their toll on this one though as stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Welch Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 There is a gabled roof salt wagon preserved at the Lion Salt works near Northwich, Cheshire. Not sure of its history but a google search will throw up a few images of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 There is a gabled roof salt wagon preserved at the Lion Salt works near Northwich, Cheshire. Not sure of its history but a google search will throw up a few images of it. That'll be this one. https://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/newly-restored-salt-wagon-returns-11552493 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Having recently visited the site, it can be thoroughly recommended:- Lion Salt Works Museum Marston And it was rail connected. Cheers Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2019 Lime was carried in similar wagons, and I've no idea how long they lasted either.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Salt wagons lasted until the 1960s. They were for carrying packeted table salt. Unlike the grain or lime wagons they didn't have bottom discharge as they were used like vans. I posted a photo in another thread of them being unloaded. I'll have a look for it but this is the closest I can find for now. http://www.miac.org.uk/saltunion.html Salt itself was carried in open wagons either sacked or sheeted, and latterly Presflos. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2019 'Rock salt', for putting on icy roads, was carried in wooden opens to prevent corrosion of steel ones, and not sheeted or covered at all, but this is not quite the same thing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 hours ago, The Johnster said: Lime was carried in similar wagons, and I've no idea how long they lasted either.... Early 1960s? For some reason, there aren't any photos of lime wagons in Larkin's pair of volumes on 'Non-Pool' wagons; there are several of salt wagons, the latest dated 'late 1950s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Here's a few photos to show the difference between the hoppers and salt wagons. No doors. http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10042.htm http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10099.htm And a Salt wagon. Notice the doors. http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10100.htm Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColHut Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Slightly OT - I was looking to get some covered salt vans for my layout 'near' Stafford. in oo gauge. There seem many available RTR but despite some beautiful and accurate liveries, the models themselves seem very crude with massive thick webbed brake handles, long wheel bases and steel underframes. I could live with over long, and maybe steel underframes, but the handbrakes make me wince. https://www.hattons.co.uk/182228/bachmann_branchline_33_186_10_ton_covered_salt_wagon_ici_salt_works_weathered/stockdetail.aspx https://www.hattons.co.uk/69100/dapol_4f_018_012_salt_van_snowdrift_weathered/stockdetail.aspx I would guess they share a common heritage from years back. Are there any more accurate ones out there? regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ColHut said: Slightly OT - I was looking to get some covered salt vans for my layout 'near' Stafford. in oo gauge. There seem many available RTR but despite some beautiful and accurate liveries, the models themselves seem very crude with massive thick webbed brake handles, long wheel bases and steel underframes. I could live with over long, and maybe steel underframes, but the handbrakes make me wince. https://www.hattons.co.uk/182228/bachmann_branchline_33_186_10_ton_covered_salt_wagon_ici_salt_works_weathered/stockdetail.aspx https://www.hattons.co.uk/69100/dapol_4f_018_012_salt_van_snowdrift_weathered/stockdetail.aspx I would guess they share a common heritage from years back. Are there any more accurate ones out there? regards The Dapol one is based on the old Hornby-Dublo one, which is about 60 years old, I believe; the Bachmann one is rather more recent, but looks as though it suffers from trying to use underframe parts from other models. Perhaps one of these bodies, fitted to a Parkside underframe, might be an improvement? PA07 and 08 are 9' wheelbase, albeit steel-type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Didn't Peco once list a salt wagon in their Wonderful Wagons range? Was it any better than the Dublo/Mainline offerings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2019 Peco Wonderfuls were a distinct cut above Hornby Dublo, with IIRC separate handbrake levers, brake shoes in line with the wheels, working springs, and sprung buffers; they’d stand up fairly well to modern RTR. As such, they were also an improvement on early Mainline and Airfix/GMR, and still run rings around Dapol. Triang’s were frankly toys and Lima, not bad as body toolings, were a moulded blobby joke below the solebars. And they had nicely pre-printed liveries. Anyone who could manage an Airfix plastic kit could manage one, though they were a little more complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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