RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'm building up a Cambrian kit of an LBSC 5 plank open wagon and have decided for a bit of fun and variation not to paint it in SR livery, but go with a 1920's LB&SCR livery. One thing I can't seem to find is what shade the grey used at this time was. I found references to the light lavender grey used earlier on and then statements saying the grey got darker and darker. But how dark and what tints if any? Can anyone point me in the direction of the correct shade? I'll be mixing it up from existing paints but would like to get it close-ish. TIA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The Illustrated History of Southern Wagons, Vol. 2, I'm sure will have some livery details (I only have Vol. 1.),Somebody should be along soon with a suitable extract... All the Google images I could find seemed to be of restored or models of LBSC stock, not definative. However this view of 1906 seems seems to show a light'ish grey... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edubs Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 A quote from the OPC book: "By the time of the grouping it was a very dark colour indeed" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And this is on the front cover of above book ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Ooops, Edubs seems to have found a reference.... Perhaps it was left over Royal Navy paint !!! So I'm tempted to say mix a grey you haven't got on the layout and use that. Sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2015 That was one of the references I had come across, but didn't really make it any clearer for me. In the absence of any other info coming to light, I'll be mixing up a random dark shade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edubs Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Would have faded in use anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2015 Not necessarily: MR wagons became darker with age. As did white roofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edubs Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Fair comment. Either way round, my point is, it's not worth worrying too much about the exact shade of grey on a wagon unless it's supposed to be ex works. even then, many modellers might use a slightly lighter shade to create the illusion of distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The LNWR had 'Invisible Grey' for a time, Answers on a postcard... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I chose a mid-grey from the standard Humbrol range. I can't remember which one in particular now, but I figured that very few, if any, colour prints exist of these things, so as long as it looks reasonable compared to the monochrome photos available, that would have to suffice. Remember too that wagons would not have been a high priority for cleaning or repainting, so the colours could darken or lighten according to the weathering conditions they were exposed to.There are some colour images on Cambrian's own website that may give a guide also.Mine still needs weathering! I had a similar issue with the LSWR brown, ending up using a dark red/maroon undercoat then brushing a standard Humbrol brown over the top. It may not be accurate but who is really going to look that hard at a wagon in a train of wagons?One other thought: check out various websites for preserved railways and the NRM, as there may be examples of such rolling stock on those to give clues as to more correct colours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Not necessarily: MR wagons became darker with age. I am sure I read somewhere that the MR wagon shop had a big tub where all the leftover paints got dumped. It all came out some shade of grey but probably never the same shade twice. That's why some photos show MR wagons in a very light shade while others show very dark (and lots of in-between shades). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2015 MR 'Smudge' This was a left over WW1 battleship grey (not sure what shade!) mixed with left over pain of any hue. Was used only on repaired wagons.... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2015 My Smudge came from the same place, but if you read on it appears that the new stock weathered down to the darker smudge colour over time, due to atmospheric conditions......... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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