Hornby 2022 - Steam range

[Dunsignalling]

4 minutes ago, Mr chapman said:

Yea, I just meant if they were determined to reuse the cast SOUTHERN plates. Looking at it, why on earth are the light Pacific £40 more? 

I can't work that out, either. the MN is newer tooling with a far superior mechanism. 

 

Only thing that occurs to me is "because they can get away with it". Why is anybody's guess...

 

John

[The Black Hat]

27 minutes ago, nathan70000 said:

Neither did any of the Gresley A1s or the original "Hush Hush" but that hasn't stopped Hornby... given that they've put out the W1 in LNER Green I wouldn't be too surprised to see a BR Blue Raven Pacific...

I was about to make that point in reply to @Dunsignalling's post above. You could do a Raven A2 in several made up liveries that were likely to follow. Im not quite sure how popular the war liveries are in comparrison to some of the others such as LNE grouping. Personally I dont think that time period is one of the biggest but does get included. 

Chances are if a Raven A2 was done I'd be painting it BR anyway! 

[SD85]

1 hour ago, NXEA! said:

Given Hornby’s financial issues in the recent past, if releasing large desirable Pacific’s is maximising the money in the tills for them to build up a good pile of cash then that can only be a good thing. We had a few years of predominantly smaller locomotives being released, J50’s, J15’s, 700’s, Peckett’s, Sentinel’s etc, certain interests come in waves. Given that there are only three Pacific’s left to do, the question is what comes next after they’ve exhausted all options? The only glamorous locomotives I can think of that don’t have a model to the latest standards are a GWR Saint, and unrebuilt Patriot, and possibly an all-singing all-dancing Peppercorn A1. Given today’s announcement a retooled 8F must be a shoo-in. A Standard 3MT 77xxx and 2MT 84xxx are the only other obvious gaps I can think of. People mention an SR U or an N but if they were likely to sell well they’d have been done by a manufacturer by now. 
 

If the Stadler FLIRT sells well there are the new CAF 195-197 DMU’s which between them will be fairly widespread. All of the recent new-build rolling stock is relatively specialist and geographically concentrated so hard to see what would sell well. 

 

I had thought about the CAF 195-197 units as being the next obvious step to make in terms of modern RTR. Would not be surprised to see these produced in the next year or two.

 

I agree that a retooled 8F is the logical step for Hornby to take after the new toolings for the 9F and now the Black 5.

 

A U Class would sell. I honestly don't think it's as much of a niche loco as some claim. The Bachmann N Class was wildly popular and sold well when it came out. The U Class covered a large area of the Southern system and is a versatile prototype which could run on a lot of different types of layouts. If Hornby think there's mileage in producing a BR 78xxx 2MT Class, it stands to reason that someone out there would realise that a U Class is viable. TBH I'm more surprised that someone like Rails or Kernow haven't commissioned one. I suppose one issue would be the tooling variations (some of the class - the ones rebuilt from River Class tanks - had larger splashers, others smaller splashers and higher running plates).

Edited January 10, 2022 by SD85

[brushman47544]

20 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

I can't work that out, either. the MN is newer tooling with a far superior mechanism. 

 

Only thing that occurs to me is "because they can get away with it". Why is anybody's guess...

 

John

 

The WC/BB tooling is from the Sanda Kan days where assembly costs were much lower for the amount of detail  to be added by hand. It seems later models have been designed to reduce those costs, which have skyrocketed over recent years, so although newer they are cheaper to manufacture.

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by brushman47544
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[truffy]

1 hour ago, Forester said:

Roll on 2022.

In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s already here. 

[Dunsignalling]

Having seen what appears to be happening with the Black Five, I think the pecking order for future retooling will be influenced by enabling the production of variations that the old tooling doesn't permit. 

 

That propels me to two suggestions, the obvious one being the Bulleid Light Pacific, including the early flat-front cab variation. 

 

The second, somewhat out of left-field, is the Fowler 4P 2-6-4T, also with a cab variation as yet undone. I've long thought this would be a cracking model if brought up to current standards.

 

John 

[phil gollin]

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The Lord of the Isles set ( "Tri-ang Railways Remembered: RS48 The Victorian Train Set" ) is a disappointment as it uses the "old" clerestory coaches rather than the much better newer ones.   I know it is because the old ones were originally used with the Lord of the Isles sets, but it is a shame.

 

The breakdown train is also fun, but could have been better as an updated version.

 

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[Compound2632]

10 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

the "old" clerestory coaches rather than the much better newer ones. 

 

That's a moot point, I'd say. At least the Triang clerestories have proper moulded panelling. The "newer" ones aren't exactly new, are they? 1980s vintage?

 

Besides, surely it's designed to appeal to the nostalgia of all those little boys who desperately wanted the set then but can afford it now...

Edited January 10, 2022 by Compound2632

[Steamport Southport]

3 hours ago, Rob Haigh said:

 

Yeah I think that's what they've gone for, I just thought it was odd that they'd produced a loco livery that immediately cuts out traditional modellers looking for another half-decent LMS-liveried 4F!

 

I wouldn't like to speculate on what went on behind the scenes! Best avoided on here!

 

Also just noticed this on the product page (https://uk.Hornby.com/products/lmsbr-class-4f-no-43924-railway-children-era-3-r30221):

 

 

But there's thousands of them out there!  

 

They've been churning the things out since about 1978....  

 

What you've got here is a Limited Edition that is for sale to those that like the film.

 

BTW it's the wrong 4F if we're going to be pedantic. Should be a MR version.

 

 

Jason

[The Stationmaster]

58 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Flannel Jacket was always going to be the preferred choice for those whose modelling era isn't 1941, i.e. the vast majority.

 

Also, Hornby know by how much they under-supplied dealer orders the first time around and should have a much better idea of how many more they can shift. 

 

The potential sales for 21C2 would be much more of a guess.

 

John

But I really wonder if they have fallen into the Year 2 trap with some of the diecast body locos?  Judging by their past efforts it is extremely difficult to extrapolate unsated demand from a first run into determining the batch size to order for a Year 2 release - even if a year or two has intervened. i don't doubt that the A4 will sell out rapidly and it might even be on an allocation basis before any orders are taken (which makes a change from cancelling something which has already been ordered).  But is there really sufficient market for the LM pacifics (although I suspect taht the Bulleid shouldn't do too badly)?

[Miss Prism]

17 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

That's a moot point, I'd say. At least the Triang clerestories have proper moulded panelling. The "newer" ones aren't exactly new, are they? 1980s vintage?

 

The new ones are Chateau Photoshlurp 2020 with incorrect roofs. Not nearly as good as vintage 1961.

 

[Rob Haigh]

22 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

But there's thousands of them out there!  

 

They've been churning the things out since about 1978....  

 

What you've got here is a Limited Edition that is for sale to those that like the film.

 

BTW it's the wrong 4F if we're going to be pedantic. Should be a MR version.

 

 

Jason

 

True!!

 

Although I have a few favourite film franchises (The Railway Children isn't one of them) and as a collector I would rather have the livery applied in a way to approximate what I'm sure was how the movie studio had intended for it to look, rather than "accurately"* replicating the actual 'prop' they ended up with. But that's just me! And I expect this will be made in low enough numbers that they'll sell them all anyway.

 

* I wasn't aware of the fact that the loco used was a Midland 3835 Class until someone else on here mentioned it this morning!

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by Rob Haigh

[Steamport Southport]

30 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Having seen what appears to be happening with the Black Five, I think the pecking order for future retooling will be influenced by enabling the production of variations that the old tooling doesn't permit. 

 

That propels me to two suggestions, the obvious one being the Bulleid Light Pacific, including the early flat-front cab variation. 

 

The second, somewhat out of left-field, is the Fowler 4P 2-6-4T, also with a cab variation as yet undone. I've long thought this would be a cracking model if brought up to current standards.

 

John 

 

At least three or four cab variations for the Fowler. It's a bit of a mystery why they didn't do a full retool a few years ago rather than just a light dusting.

 

Original cab, slightly smaller cab opening, enclosed cab and enclosed cab with altered doors.

 

This is one with the smaller cab opening. I did one like that back in the day copying a magazine article.

 

John Griffiths via Wiki

 

 

 

Jason

[Coppercap]

46 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

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The Lord of the Isles set ( "Tri-ang Railways Remembered: RS48 The Victorian Train Set" ) is a disappointment as it uses the "old" clerestory coaches rather than the much better newer ones.   I know it is because the old ones were originally used with the Lord of the Isles sets, but it is a shame.

 

The breakdown train is also fun, but could have been better as an updated version.

 

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But that's the whole point,it is replicating the Triang Railways train set - loco, coaches and box. The track is the only exception, as SK said in the Hornby video.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Coppercap

[Steamport Southport]

3 minutes ago, Rob Haigh said:

 

True!!

 

Although I have a few favourite film franchises (The Railway Children isn't one of them) and as a collector I would rather have the livery applied in a way to approximate what I'm sure was how the movie studio had intended for it to look, rather than "accurately*" replicating the actual 'prop' they ended up with. But that's just me! And I expect this will be made in low enough numbers that they'll sell them all anyway.

 

* I wasn't aware of the fact that the loco used was a Midland 3835 Class until someone else on here mentioned it this morning.

 

Yes. 3924 was still under restoration from Barry Scrapyard condition when the original film was made.

 

It was actually in quite good condition and hadn't suffered with people taking parts. Was even taken from Barry to Keighley by rail.

 

 

https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/43924-lms-3924-br-43924/

 

 

Jason

[Dunsignalling]

14 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

But I really wonder if they have fallen into the Year 2 trap with some of the diecast body locos?  Judging by their past efforts it is extremely difficult to extrapolate unsated demand from a first run into determining the batch size to order for a Year 2 release - even if a year or two has intervened. i don't doubt that the A4 will sell out rapidly and it might even be on an allocation basis before any orders are taken (which makes a change from cancelling something which has already been ordered).  But is there really sufficient market for the LM pacifics (although I suspect taht the Bulleid shouldn't do too badly)?

Yes, but doing a repeat of specific loco means they know exactly what the unfulfilled demand was first time around, much more trustworthy info than any assumption that folk just want another MN.

 

Hopefully, this isn't just the usual year 2 routine.

 

John

[Tim123]

Most likely it’s a copy and paste error, but has the 2-2-2 (sorry, 0-6-0) Jinty been updated with a better motor and DCC 8pin socket?

[adb968008]

Maybe R3434’s reintroduction should be In its spanish translation….
21C1 “Costa Packet”.

 

 

sorry couldnt resist, shoot me.

 

still at £223.99 its better than R3435 Royal Mail which is £429.. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203776752253?hash=item2f720a7a7d:g:NfEAAOSwU3lhzyhV
 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by adb968008

[Steamport Southport]

Well I want a Channel Packet anyway. 

 

I ended up having to get Royal Mail as the CPs had sold out very quickly. Already got a nice set of 'plates for one.

 

For an announcement that seemed like a "nothing for me" there are a few gems. 

 

Turbomotive, Channel Packet, Fives, more LMS 4-6-2s, maybe a W1.....

 

 

Jason

[Chuffed 1]

It seems to me that much of this offering is weighted towards the collector, rather than the operator.  Maybe that’s where the money is now.

 

Agree that types more useful to operators ought to be included, and that there does seem to be a cold shoulder to the Southern and the Western left for other manufacturers.

 

Wonder who will produce a Hawksworth County, a Maunsell W class or a new rebuilt Royal Scot?  Is there a recently-tooled Johnson 3F out there at the moment? Perhaps the H class 31278 with P-P and flat bunker?

 

We can but dream.

[Dunsignalling]

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

 

The WC/BB tooling is from the Sanda Kan days where assembly costs were much lower for the amount of detail  to be added by hand. It seems later models have been designed to reduce those costs, which have skyrocketed over recent years, so although newer they are cheaper to manufacture.

 

Having had the bodies off both, I'd say there are probably a few more bits in the MN (Ellerman Lines, anyhow). The only additional factory-fitted items on the WC/BB are the rear pair of tender steps, some of the MNs only have them at the front. 

 

All the rest (front steps, discs,  etc.) come "in the bag" in both cases.

 

John

Edited January 10, 2022 by Dunsignalling

[Edna Clouds]

I quite like the idea of steam exhaust rather than the smoke that Seuthe produces and the Flying Scotsman demonstration looked good on the video. Sadly, still only two and a half chuffs (and puffs) per driving wheel rev though. Perhaps they'll get it better in time.

[shedman]

I'm disappointed that the centenary of the merger of the L&Y with the LNWR has been ignored. This happened before the 1923 Grouping..

[farren]

1 hour ago, shedman said:

I'm disappointed that the centenary of the merger of the L&Y with the LNWR has been ignored. This happened before the 1923 Grouping..

I fully expected a Class 25 as I’ve just got the kit to build. Maybe next time ready for when I finish it.

Edited January 10, 2022 by farren
Wrong class number

[RichardT]

17 minutes ago, shedman said:

'm disappointed that the centenary of the merger of the L&Y with the LNWR has been ignored. This happened before the 1923 Grouping..

As has the centenary of the merger of the Hull & Barnsley Railway with the NER.  But, in modelling terms, so what?  Or, to be less abrupt, what’s the significance that’s being ignored? Many railway companies merged before 1923.

 

Richard

Edited January 10, 2022 by RichardT
Typos