RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 I know they did run backwards but all the photos I have are light loco workings and one on freight with the cut down tender. Does anyone know of a Bulleid Pacific picture on a short 2-3 coach train running tender first? I'm just wondering if I can justify my BofB running on Lulworth with 2 coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 I know they did run backwards but all the photos I have are light loco workings and one on freight with the cut down tender. Does anyone know of a Bulleid Pacific picture on a short 2-3 coach train running tender first? I'm just wondering if I can justify my BofB running on Lulworth with 2 coaches. 34033 Chard, running tender first with single Bulleid BCK, leaving Padstow 17.5.1962, in a Sid Nash photo. In Branch Line to Padstow - Middleton Press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 29, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 Cheers Ian, I'll look it up as that would be a welcome addition to the collection anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twright Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Can't comment on the train length but I'd guess it wouldn't be that long: https://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffsimages/6484100797 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There's a fine photo by Norman Lockett of 35020, not only running tender first but propelling at least 8 Pullman cars out of Bournemouth. Not an experimental pull-push operational concept of course, just ECS to the carriage washing plant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 29, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 Thanks chaps, all much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 It was probably a lot more common than published photographic evidence suggests. In steam days I would imagine that a lineside photographer would often turn down a shot of a loco running tender first. When compiling a book a tender first shot might only get used if the composition was interesting, or the working very unusual. The Seaton branch saw excursions worked by tender locos, in the Middleton Press ' Branchlines to Seaton and Sidmouth', there is a photo of U 31805 hauling an 8 coach train tender first towards Seaton. 16/6/60 Another photo shows a U 31805 and 34096 Trevone in the yard at Seaton although not of the train that either of them hauled in. 6/6/60 'The Last Days of Steam in Devon' by Maurice Dart has a photo of 34030 Watersmeet at Instow tender first with empty stock to Torrington for a portion of a Waterloo train. 6/60 It looks like three coaches 'LSWR Country LInes then and now' by Mac Hawkins has a nice photo of the River Tavy viaduct with 34069 Hawkinge tender first with the 18.48 Tavistock North - Plymouth 9/5/61 only the front of the first coach is visible though. There were also out and back freight workings like Exmouth Junction to Whimple, or Exmouth Junction to Yeoford where one leg must have been worked tender first though I can't find a photo of them, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 'Dorset Steam' by Michael Welch has a couple of better photos which are more on brief. Page 62 shows 34045 Ottery St Mary with 2 coaches and a southern 4 wheel van working the 2.00pm Brockenhurst - Bournemouth at Wimborne, 12/10/63 Page 52 shows 34078 222 Squadron hauling a milk tank and 3 coach Bullied set 783 betwen Yeovil Town and Yeovil Junction, 2/6/63 cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There'll be a few photos from the weekend and up coming weekends of City Of Wells running tender first with about 4 coaches as she's at the East Lancs for the season with not turning facilities Just add photoshop to make the photo black and white and you're sorted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I certainly saw them a couple of times tender first with a couple of green coaches on the Bude branch in about June/July 1959. I took these to be return workings of portions to Waterloo. dhig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 29, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2015 Thanks to all of you Just wanted evidence for the 60's and plenty there thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have a pic of a Packet, leaving Axminster for Exeter with the morning 'commuter' service. It is hauling an Exmouth Branch, 5 set and running tender first! Can give you the book link if of interest. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 2, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2015 Always interested as I may have the book to have a look So yes please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yeovil Town to Yeovil Junction was another common tender first run if the train was going on towards Salisbury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It was probably a lot more common than published photographic evidence suggests. In steam days I would imagine that a lineside photographer would often turn down a shot of a loco running tender first. When compiling a book a tender first shot might only get used if the composition was interesting, or the working very unusual. The Seaton branch saw excursions worked by tender locos, in the Middleton Press ' Branchlines to Seaton and Sidmouth', there is a photo of U 31805 hauling an 8 coach train tender first towards Seaton. 16/6/60 Another photo shows a U 31805 and 34096 Trevone in the yard at Seaton although not of the train that either of them hauled in. 6/6/60 'The Last Days of Steam in Devon' by Maurice Dart has a photo of 34030 Watersmeet at Instow tender first with empty stock to Torrington for a portion of a Waterloo train. 6/60 It looks like three coaches 'LSWR Country LInes then and now' by Mac Hawkins has a nice photo of the River Tavy viaduct with 34069 Hawkinge tender first with the 18.48 Tavistock North - Plymouth 9/5/61 only the front of the first coach is visible though. There were also out and back freight workings like Exmouth Junction to Whimple, or Exmouth Junction to Yeoford where one leg must have been worked tender first though I can't find a photo of them, WCs and BBs frequently were tender first on the Friary/Tavistock workings. Sadly we never took pictures then. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2015 Always interested as I may have the book to have a look So yes please Plate 30, Southern Railway Reflections...The West Country. Terry Gough. Silver Link Publications. ISBN 1-85794-135-7 This has some great pics for anywhere between salisbury and Cornwall with most being in the Devon and Cornwall areas and a good selection from around Exeter. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I have a pic of a Packet, leaving Axminster for Exeter with the morning 'commuter' service. It is hauling an Exmouth Branch, 5 set and running tender first! Can give you the book link if of interest. P That is interesting. Although it is obviously indesirable to run tender first in places it is unavoidable. My dad, who for a time worked in Exeter Central Control Office, used to tell me that there was a mileage limit on tender first running. Whether that was a BR wide instruction or something local to the Western District of the SR I don't know. He did say that Exeter to Axminster (about 27 miles). was just within the permitted limit, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Flickr-ing thro some archives I came across this - but no info with it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5732813881/in/photolist-9JAaQD-9JAcGk-nM9JdA-nuQEGp-taeey6-nM2Cy2-9JAhKi-thnxRj-aAGj6n-9JAhAF-rnL1XZ-rm8qxK-r6e9QN-9JAdZR-9JAcMc-9JAdKP-vumsYk-9JCXPw-9JAi46-uAT7H5-atJ28m-fCc6Lk-pciBGL-qVGkzz-nrXbJg-abwytK-rAWjct-nMgXsQ-abzpe5-fCc3BH-d9V8KZ-oDqTL1-hZaJ7b-7mFNo1-mJmCpz-pKXqmk-mskwA9-oVAAZ4-tytWgL-hZasYC-mwFMuV-ozwjCd-ojL4Kd-8Dn5E7-6VGEur-mJowoo-fTeY7Y-atvSp5-dRL8hA-abwBqD As an afterthought, if there was a limit, it's good to know a Bulleid was probably more reliable running tender-first than a WD !?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Not sure of the location, looks like Poole? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204810431037452&set=gm.1014744535255704&type=1&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 18, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2015 Ah it's locked so I assume you need a fb account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 i cannot view it either, and I have a fb account. Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriscleveland Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 just looked through my Swanage book it only shows 0-6-0 BR 4mt's running tender first out of Swanage and says how the west country locos ran to Bournemouth were turned the returned later . I will keep looking though Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Not sure of the location, looks like Poole? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204810431037452&set=gm.1014744535255704&type=1&theater Turns out, it was Bere Alston. See 1/2 way down this page. http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/southern-route-devonport-kings-road-to-okehampton.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2015 34033 Chard, running tender first with single Bulleid BCK, leaving Padstow 17.5.1962, in a Sid Nash photo. In Branch Line to Padstow - Middleton Press. That's exactly the shot I had in mind Ian when I read the OP. It's often used as evidence that there were too many WCs and they were wastefully used. It's actually the complete opposite, the loco needed to get back to Wadebridge shed for the start of the morning sequence and it was used, I believe, to tow an untimetabled evening service between Padstow and Wadebridge. Strange things happened that far from Waterloo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Wouldn't that have been the first leg of the return journey ( about 5'o'clock in the afternoon) of the Exmouth Junction allocated loco that hauled the Padstow portion of the ACE ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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