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Hi all

 

Please can anyone recommend a decent kit for a SR Cattle wagon, I can't seem to locate one at the moment.  I was looking at the old Hornby SR cattle wagons and comparing them against the lovely new Parkside Dundas LMS cattle wagon Kit and they look very similar and was wondering if they were the same types. If anyone could advise I would be grateful.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Chris

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With respect to the Hornby announcement of their intention to produce SR cattle wagons to Diagrams 1529 and 1530, I have today following further discussion / clarification with Hornby undated my blog post here http://grahammuz.com/2015/11/26/Hornby-announce-full-2016-range-and-the-addition-of-an-sr-cattle-wagon/ with respect to the liveries being produced initially in 2016 and following in 2017.

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With respect to the Hornby announcement of their intention to produce SR cattle wagons to Diagrams 1529 and 1530, I have today following further discussion / clarification with Hornby undated my blog post here http://grahammuz.com/2015/11/26/Hornby-announce-full-2016-range-and-the-addition-of-an-sr-cattle-wagon/ with respect to the liveries being produced initially in 2016 and following in 2017.

interesting marketing ploy. I have to buy 2 SR wagons in 2016 and another 2 SR wagons  in 2017. Keeps you coming back to the well (not Wells).  Actually this is okay as long as we know the advance plans.  One could say this is the first of their 2017 announcements?

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Well no one is forcing you to but two each year, could just but one each year...

 

Hornby were always showing that they were going to release two of each diagram in 2016 and the more logical approach that I was told by the design team was that they intended to do an SR and BR livery of each type this year but that has now been changed for 2016 as to be SR livery with different running numbers for both the dia 1530 wagons and BR livery for the dia 1529 wagon with reversal of liveries for 2017.

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interesting marketing ploy. I have to buy 2 SR wagons in 2016 and another 2 SR wagons  in 2017. Keeps you coming back to the well (not Wells).  Actually this is okay as long as we know the advance plans.  One could say this is the first of their 2017 announcements?

Would you rather have been presented with the "opportunity" to buy all four in 2016?   :jester:

 

Doing 2xSR (Bulleid) and 2xBR (Maunsell) this year and the reverse in 2017 suggests it is just an efficient way for them to schedule production.

 

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This is tragic.  I might have to cobble up something that broadly resembles part of a cattle dock. :cry:

Hmmm....Any good references to LSWR/SR cattle dock design? Pictures and examples on the web would be nice. When I was modelling the GWR Brixham branch line I bought the Ratio cattle dock even though I had absolutely no need for it in Brixham and diont recall if there was one at Churston. (Loading large live fish in barrels of salt water for the absolutely must have it that fresh trade?)

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Hmmm....Any good references to LSWR/SR cattle dock design? Pictures and examples on the web would be nice. When I was modelling the GWR Brixham branch line I bought the Ratio cattle dock even though I had absolutely no need for it in Brixham and diont recall if there was one at Churston. (Loading large live fish in barrels of salt water for the absolutely must have it that fresh trade?)

Not to hand at present, I am afraid.  Did the railway companies have standard designs for cattle docks?  Presumably, most country cattle docks would be pre-grouping in origin.

 

What I am considering is not a whole cattle dock (I noticed that the Ratio one needs quite a lot of space) but just the loading platform and the beginning of the fenced enclosure for the edge of the baseboard.  My thought is to use similar brick paper to the goods shed for the platform walls.  

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Did the railway companies have standard designs for cattle docks?  Presumably, most country cattle docks would be pre-grouping in origin.

 

One of the books by Stephen Williams on modelling a GW branch line contains plans of what purports to be a standard design and photographs of examples which quite clearly do not conform to it.  It depends on what you mean by standard, I suppose ...

 

Chris

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The Southern Railway had a standard design (or it might be better called a standard concept design since they were built to fit available sites) which unsurprisingly was based around the concrete products from Exmouth Junction.

 

I have the dimensions tucked away somewhere, taken from the early-1930s example at Haywards Heath (which was a large one to serve the almost adjacent cattle market), but I have never converted them into a scale drawing.

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Hmmm....Any good references to LSWR/SR cattle dock design? Pictures and examples on the web would be nice. When I was modelling the GWR Brixham branch line I bought the Ratio cattle dock even though I had absolutely no need for it in Brixham and diont recall if there was one at Churston. (Loading large live fish in barrels of salt water for the absolutely must have it that fresh trade?)

Found some interesting pix in The Bodmin and Wadebridge Railway and Branch LInes Around Bodmin  of the small two stall cattle dock at Bodmin Central (SR). Probably dates from the Bodmin and Wadebridge Railway days but will make a neat little dock for two of the new Hornby cattle wagons. No evidence that the Diagrams 1529 and 1530 were used to transport the overflow crowds from Wadebridge and Padstow to watch hangings at Bodmin Goal.

 

(A reference to the story that all available open wagons were used in 1834 for the first passenger train from Wadebridge to Bodmin to witness such a hanging.)

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The annoucement that Hornby are doing BR Maunsell and SR Bullied is a big advantage to myself. Means now all I have to do is get two BR Maunsell Cattle wagons regressed back in SR livery and just purchase this year's SR Bullied versions. Will still get 2017's SR Maunsell Cattle wagons though...!! :D

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I have a strong feeling that at Seaton, when the SR rebuilt the station in the 1930s, they used modular concrete Lego to create a combined platform for cattle dock and coaling stage for the locos, right outside the loco-shed. A very good space saver, when you think that cattle wagons don't need to be in-situ for a hugely long time to load/unload (for cleaning-out, longer!).

 

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I have only just! spotted this topic as it reappeared in the "New Content"

 

There was another SR Cattle van kit around other than the all whitemetal Davis Geen kit. It was produced by Sprat & Winkle (yes they made kits too), it was essentially brass with whitemetal overlays. Quite a reasonable kit (if you ignore the missing roof and rather basic - non-existent - brake detail) IIRC I posted a build on an early version of RMWeb (long gone). I have been trying to find some of the photos but have had at least 3 new PC changes since and all I have found is this poor image (which is of the kit complete - ie. complete as far as the bits supplied with the kit are concerned! and a image of the intact fret.

 

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van_29.jpg

 

They sometimes come up on ebay as I recall seeing one a few months back. I'm sure in the hands of someone who enjoys adding unsupplied detail they could be made to look the part.

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