Gerald Henriksen Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Announced at Warley, A-tank also planned. Expected 2016. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105484-news-summary-from-warley-2015/ to see picture of poster. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 Price is nothing like as bad as I feared it might be Hope the droopy couplings issue prevalent on some previous Heljan wagons has been sorted Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2016 Price is nothing like as bad as I feared it might be Hope the droopy couplings issue prevalent on some previous Heljan wagons has been sorted Cheers Phil It's called a Xuron track cutter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2016 Yippee looks like the A class tank is going to be longer than the B class tank, as they should be. :locomotive: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waveydavey Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I was fairly disappointed with the 7mm version. So much so that having decided to buy three in United Molases livery I changed my mind on seeing one and decided to keep my money. I've got my fingers crossed that the 4mm version will be a much closer approximation to the real thing. A couple of Esso liveried class A tanks and 'many' UM liveried class B tanks will go very nicely on the replacement for Longcarse West. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 General Q with "modern" private owner wagons When did the changeover from the randomised "Company" numbering system to the more logical "ABCD 0 - WXYZ 99999" system happen ? For example, with these from "3297" to "ESSO 43297" as shown on the yellow solebar plate I am assuming that it was with the widescale introduction of TOPS in the mid 70's ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 General Q with "modern" private owner wagons When did the changeover from the randomised "Company" numbering system to the more logical "ABCD 0 - WXYZ 99999" system happen ? For example, with these from "3297" to "ESSO 43297" as shown on the yellow solebar plate I am assuming that it was with the widescale introduction of TOPS in the mid 70's ? I think you're correct; TOPS required a unique number for each vehicle, whereas previous 'systems' simply used the same blocks of numbers time and again. It also wasn't unknown for operators of small fleets to exaggerate their fleet size by numbering wagons as 100, 200 and 300, for example. Those who saw wagons so numbered might get the impression that the fleet, and hence the company, were much bigger than they actually were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 UPLOADED ON THE KERNOW WEBSITEhttp://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/c/767/Heljan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I think you're correct; TOPS required a unique number for each vehicle, whereas previous 'systems' simply used the same blocks of numbers time and again. It also wasn't unknown for operators of small fleets to exaggerate their fleet size by numbering wagons as 100, 200 and 300, for example. Those who saw wagons so numbered might get the impression that the fleet, and hence the company, were much bigger than they actually were. Sorry for going Off-Topic but did the number range really only incorporate 5 digit numbers? Of the 16T minerals there have been 600000 as far as I know and to me it seems unlikely that until the early 70s 50000 had been withdrawn, most being only 20 years old by then. I look forward to the Heljan tankers as they conveniently fill a gap. 14T RCH tanks 20s to 40s with examples lasting until early 60s, Bachmann unfitted anchor mounted 40s to early 60s, Heljan vac-fitted anchor mounted early 60s until ? ( I guess mid-80s), Bachmann air-fitted 45t TTA and 100t TEA late 60s until the new millenium, Revolution trains Greenbrier 102t TEA from 2006. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Sorry for going Off-Topic but did the number range really only incorporate 5 digit numbers? Of the 16T minerals there have been 600000 as far as I know and to me it seems unlikely that until the early 70s 50000 had been withdrawn, most being only 20 years old by then. I look forward to the Heljan tankers as they conveniently fill a gap. 14T RCH tanks 20s to 40s with examples lasting until early 60s, Bachmann unfitted anchor mounted 40s to early 60s, Heljan vac-fitted anchor mounted early 60s until ? ( I guess mid-80s), Bachmann air-fitted 45t TTA and 100t TEA late 60s until the new millenium, Revolution trains Greenbrier 102t TEA from 2006. There were several different number series in use on the TOPS system, but no duplication! The PO numbering was either 4 or 5 digits with an owners prefix BR was prefixed B for traffic or DB for Departmental BR airbraked 6 figure with no prefix until transferred to departmental use the DC (avoided clash with DB) and a third character or each department Ex pre nationalisation E, M, S or W with additional D for departmental The UIC numbering system which now appears mandatory Then M360XXX for ex PO wagons purchased by BR in the 1950's Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2016 Hope the company logos are mounted on separate shields as per the original - by the late 60s/early 70s the regent ones were being debranded Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissixties Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Does anyone know if mixed rakes of Esso B and TTA tank wagons ever operated? And if so, over what years? I have a lovely set of a dozen TTA's already but really couldn't stretch to another new rake of B's, as much as I like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted August 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2016 Does anyone know if mixed rakes of Esso B and TTA tank wagons ever operated? And if so, over what years? I have a lovely set of a dozen TTA's already but really couldn't stretch to another new rake of B's, as much as I like them. More likely to be TTBs. Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2016 Does anyone know if mixed rakes of Esso B and TTA tank wagons ever operated? And if so, over what years? I have a lovely set of a dozen TTA's already but really couldn't stretch to another new rake of B's, as much as I like them. Hi Chris The early 45 ton GLW wagons were vacuum or dual braked so did run with the 35 tonners until they were converted to air brake only. More likely to be TTBs. Griff Hi Griff Is a TTB dual braked? Still can't (won't, more likely) get my head around these TOPS codes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Hi Chris The early 45 ton GLW wagons were vacuum or dual braked so did run with the 35 tonners until they were converted to air brake only. Hi Griff Is a TTB dual braked? Still can't (won't, more likely) get my head around these TOPS codes. TTB is Air Brake, Vacuum Pipe. Below is a list of brake types used in the TOPS system, taken from an old 1978 Working Manual for you to get your head around. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissixties Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Found this photo of what appears to be an A and B in the same rake http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrs2308.htm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2016 Found this photo of what appears to be an A and B in the same rake http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrs2308.htm Nice one Chris .... confirms that the Fawley-Bomford trains were diverted off the Oxford - Worcester route and on to Oxford - Banbury after 1963 Cheers Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted August 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) Nice one Chris .... confirms that the Fawley-Bomford trains were diverted off the Oxford - Worcester route and on to Oxford - Banbury after 1963CheersPhil That may help me with this image I have from 1967. D6533 ( later 33115 ) still without a yellow warning panel and D6541 (later 33023 ) head a block oil tanker train through Banbury. The reason for so many people on or near the track is unknown. The negative is dated 5/3/67, however the day before 7029 'Clun Castle' worked a railtour through Banbury so I suspect the actual date is 4/3/67. Photographer unknown. http://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/p651056644/haad064c#haad064c Edited August 3, 2016 by acg5324 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 What to do with my old Airfix B-tanks? Oh! I know... https://flic.kr/p/pc8UHc https://flic.kr/p/oX5uRa There are some good pictures of the A tanks in this train too, if you explore the rest of the set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 That may help me with this image I have from 1967. D6533 ( later 33115 ) still without a yellow warning panel and D6541 (later 33023 ) head a block oil tanker train through Banbury. The reason for so many people on or near the track is unknown. The negative is dated 5/3/67, however the day before 7029 'Clun Castle' worked a railtour through Banbury so I suspect the actual date is 4/3/67. Photographer unknown. http://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/p651056644/haad064c#haad064c The answer to why there are so many people on the track is on the RHS- there's a brake-van special stopped there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 What to do with my old Airfix B-tanks? Oh! I know... https://flic.kr/p/pc8UHc https://flic.kr/p/oX5uRa There are some good pictures of the A tanks in this train too, if you explore the rest of the set. There's one Class A tank in those photos- 4127. If you look, you'll see that the end of the tank barrel is level with the headstock, whilst the ones on the Class B tanks are set back, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2016 The answer to why there are so many people on the track is on the RHS- there's a brake-van special stopped there. I'm not so sure, I think the brake vans are in their stabling siding, which is on an incline so the van can free-wheel onto a train just before it departs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2016 There's one Class A tank in those photos- 4127. If you look, you'll see that the end of the tank barrel is level with the headstock, whilst the ones on the Class B tanks are set back, Indeed, I was drawing attention to the fact it was a mixed rake of B and A tanks, which someone was enquiring about further up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 first to hit the shops is out http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/55133/1100-Heljan-4-Wheel-B-Tank-Wagon---Heljan-60th-Anniversary I simply cannot find a swear word strong enough but which is acceptable. That is awful. Second thoughts – it might be a suitable addition to some people’s Hornby Christmas train sets. Is the box printed in an authentic B-tank livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I simply cannot find a swear word strong enough but which is acceptable. That is awful. Second thoughts – it might be a suitable addition to some people’s Hornby Christmas train sets. Is the box printed in an authentic B-tank livery? ..with dribbles down the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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