Guest bri.s Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hi guys I'm wondering if someone could help show what and where I'll need to put my signals on my new layout plan please The layout is set in the late 60's onwards ,it would be semaphore signals southyorkshire area ex great Central I've put where I think there would be a signal but not sure The layout is set at the beginning of a slightly bigger yard the runaround is used for entry and exiting the yard Would I need a signal for the exit of the yard and ground signals to pull into the head shunt ? Would I need a bracket signal ,like the one I've drawn to enter the yard ? Any help is appreciated Thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hello, I know nothing about practices in South Yorkshire, but following a few general principles: - the signal that you've shown looks good, but if you want both, rather than just one, of what you have labelled "runaround loop" to be able to act as reception roads, you will need a further dolly on the bracket to cover the left-most of the two; - you need at least one signal for departure from the yard, two if both "runaround loops" can be used for departures; and, - you need a signal on the "left-bound" main, to the right of the crossover, so that you can hold trains clear to permit departures from the yard. If we were in Southern or GWR territory, I would be advising you that the signals controlling movements into and out of the yard should have "ringed arms", but I have no idea what the L&Y, H&B, GCR, LMS, LNER, or any of the rest of the railways in Yorkshire did to distinguish signals covering moves in and out of "dark" territory, if anything. Shunt-signal practices are so diverse that I will keep schtum on that topic and leave it to a local. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Thanks kevin I'd not thought about the 3rd arm for the sidings thanks The signals in the yard were what I wasn't sure about a nice bracket signal there for both loops will Look nice I did think about the signal for the main running right to left but having a set of railway bridges as the scenic break I thought it may have been situated at the other side of it ,saying that I have seen a nice short posted signal that used to be at stairfoot junction which was near ground level in order to see it under the bridges there I've no idea of the ground signals either lol Thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I just found this, which I think is on the GCR, at Keadby Canal Jct (wherever that is!). The "one over the other" dolly on the left, I read to give entry to two yard roads, top arm for the left-most, bottom arm for the right-most. So, if I'm right, it would fit your circumstance. But, it is a most un-Southern arrangement, so we might wait for a local to chip-in and confirm or deny my reading. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 >>>>If we were in Southern or GWR territory, I would be advising you that the signals controlling movements into and out of the yard should have "ringed arms"...... Err....in GWR territory any signals reading IN to goods lines would not have rings unless the lines on which they stood were themselves goods-only. Rings only for signals on, or at the exit, from goods lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Thanks again ,that does look an interesting signal and sounds like something like that will fit nicely Interesting to see the level crossing , something I might incorporate ,I have been fancying building a level crossing I'll do a bit of research on them thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I stand corrected Railwest. How do you read that set of arms in the picture I just posted? K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted January 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2016 The plan of Woodhouse East Junction on the ever helpful signalbox.org is quite similar to your sketch (http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=303). Running movements from each down line to any of the sidings A, B, C appear to be covered by a single miniature arm on a bracket (10 and 14). The plan is dated 1977 however, so signalling could well have been simplified since your period. There are more GC Sgnal diagrams online at http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/sbdiagrams.htm BTW I'd be very tempted to extend your short shunt neck to represent the East Sidings at Woodhouse, just for some interesting shunt movements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The plan of Woodhouse East Junction on the ever helpful signalbox.org is quite similar to your sketch (http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=303). Running movements from each down line to any of the sidings A, B, C appear to be covered by a single miniature arm on a bracket (10 and 14). The plan is dated 1977 however, so signalling could well have been simplified since your period. There are more GC Sgnal diagrams online at http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/sbdiagrams.htm BTW I'd be very tempted to extend your short shunt neck to represent the East Sidings at Woodhouse, just for some interesting shunt movements. Thanks simon Its an interesting one I'll have to have a look at how many have just the one and how many have 2 looks like plenty of research lol Re the sidings ,it would add more movements but my scenic section is only 4 feet long so the sidings will be pretty short The layout is a first attempt at 2mm and hand built points so I'm wanting playability but quite simple at the same time Thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestPines Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I just found this, which I think is on the GCR, at Keadby Canal Jct (wherever that is!). Keadby Canal Jn is in Lincolnshire, between Doncaster and Scunthorpe. The box still survives as a gate box controlling a movable bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2016 I stand corrected Railwest. How do you read that set of arms in the picture I just posted? K The way you did Kevin - quite a standard arrangement in some parts of the country - even the Western had a few like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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