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Hi guys

 

I'm wondering if someone could help show what and where I'll need to put my signals on my new layout plan please

The layout is set in the late 60's onwards ,it would be semaphore signals southyorkshire area ex great Central

 

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I've put where I think there would be a signal but not sure

The layout is set at the beginning of a slightly bigger yard the runaround is used for entry and exiting the yard

Would I need a signal for the exit of the yard and ground signals to pull into the head shunt ?

Would I need a bracket signal ,like the one I've drawn to enter the yard ?

 

Any help is appreciated

 

Thanks

 

Brian

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Hello,

 

I know nothing about practices in South Yorkshire, but following a few general principles:

 

- the signal that you've shown looks good, but if you want both, rather than just one, of what you have labelled "runaround loop" to be able to act as reception roads, you will need a further dolly on the bracket to cover the left-most of the two;

 

- you need at least one signal for departure from the yard, two if both "runaround loops" can be used for departures; and,

 

- you need a signal on the "left-bound" main, to the right of the crossover, so that you can hold trains clear to permit departures from the yard.

 

If we were in Southern or GWR territory, I would be advising you that the signals controlling movements into and out of the yard should have "ringed arms", but I have no idea what the L&Y, H&B, GCR, LMS, LNER, or any of the rest of the railways in Yorkshire did to distinguish signals covering moves in and out of "dark" territory, if anything.

 

Shunt-signal practices are so diverse that I will keep schtum on that topic and leave it to a local.

 

Kevin

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Thanks kevin

 

I'd not thought about the 3rd arm for the sidings thanks

 

The signals in the yard were what I wasn't sure about a nice bracket signal there for both loops will Look nice

 

I did think about the signal for the main running right to left but having a set of railway bridges as the scenic break I thought it may have been situated at the other side of it ,saying that I have seen a nice short posted signal that used to be at stairfoot junction which was near ground level in order to see it under the bridges there

 

I've no idea of the ground signals either lol

 

Thanks

 

Brian

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I just found this, which I think is on the GCR, at Keadby Canal Jct (wherever that is!).

 

The "one over the other" dolly on the left, I read to give entry to two yard roads, top arm for the left-most, bottom arm for the right-most. So, if I'm right, it would fit your circumstance. But, it is a most un-Southern arrangement, so we might wait for a local to chip-in and confirm or deny my reading.

 

Kevin

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>>>>If we were in Southern or GWR territory, I would be advising you that the signals controlling movements into and out of the yard should have "ringed arms"......
 

Err....in GWR territory any signals reading IN to goods lines would not have rings unless the lines on which they stood were themselves goods-only. Rings only for signals on, or at the exit, from goods lines. 

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Thanks again ,that does look an interesting signal and sounds like something like that will fit nicely

Interesting to see the level crossing , something I might incorporate ,I have been fancying building a level crossing

I'll do a bit of research on them thanks

 

Brian

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The plan of Woodhouse East Junction on the ever helpful signalbox.org is quite similar to your sketch (http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=303). Running movements from each down line to any of the sidings A, B, C appear to be covered by a single miniature arm on a bracket (10 and 14). The plan is dated 1977 however, so signalling could well have been simplified since your period.

 

There are more GC Sgnal diagrams online at http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/sbdiagrams.htm

 

BTW I'd be very tempted to extend your short shunt neck to represent the East Sidings at Woodhouse, just for some interesting shunt movements.

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The plan of Woodhouse East Junction on the ever helpful signalbox.org is quite similar to your sketch (http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=303). Running movements from each down line to any of the sidings A, B, C appear to be covered by a single miniature arm on a bracket (10 and 14). The plan is dated 1977 however, so signalling could well have been simplified since your period.

There are more GC Sgnal diagrams online at http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/sbdiagrams.htm

BTW I'd be very tempted to extend your short shunt neck to represent the East Sidings at Woodhouse, just for some interesting shunt movements.

Thanks simon

 

Its an interesting one I'll have to have a look at how many have just the one and how many have 2 looks like plenty of research lol

 

Re the sidings ,it would add more movements but my scenic section is only 4 feet long so the sidings will be pretty short

The layout is a first attempt at 2mm and hand built points so I'm wanting playability but quite simple at the same time

 

Thanks

 

Brian

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