Baldwin30762 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Hi Is it just me that is trying to figure out the difference scale gauge combinations that there are out there? I came across this today so I though I would share it with you guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_modelling_scales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_transport_modelling_scale_standards#NEM Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF51 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Colin, on the Wikipedia page, look at the top of the chart under Scales. Click the small UP arrow, next to the word scale in the middle column. This will not sort the list by scale modeled, giving you a more clear picture of what 'gauges' are modeled in what scales. A simplified example, for 1/76.2 (also referred to as 4mm) scale, there are 5 gauges listed. 00 for the accepted commercial standard, 009 and 0012 for popular narrow gauge modelling, and EM and P4 for those wanting track built to more correct gauge width in 4mm scale modelling. If you created the poll, you are asking which 'scale', but really give the 'gauge', for your choices. In my case, I selected 00, which is 1/76 (4mm) 'scale' modeling. However, I will be building a narrow gauge layout, using N (9mm track gauge) track, to represent the narrow gauge track, but working to 4mm 'scale'. More confused now? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Easy to predict the results (more-or-less):- OO/4mm (UK) & HO (rest of World) = 80% N = 18% O = 1% The rest = 1% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF51 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 F-Unit, I definitely agree those % points are close to correct, but results here could be different, depending on who, and how many, do actually vote. Curious, have you a fave F Unit paint scheme? Colin, take a look at this chart, it 'might' be a bit clearer, at least for UK modelling. http://www.brmna.org/modinf.shtml Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Curious, have you a fave F Unit paint scheme? My signature might give you a clue http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Sooliner_2008/media/SooNew5.jpg.html?sort=3&o=195 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 F-Unit, I definitely agree those % points are close to correct, but results here could be different, depending on who, and how many, do actually vote. Curious, have you a fave F Unit paint scheme? Colin, take a look at this chart, it 'might' be a bit clearer, at least for UK modelling. http://www.brmna.org/modinf.shtml Jim Oh dear .... some serious misinformation there! The comments on Hornby are grotesquely wrong. Not only will all Hornby stock from about the last 30 years run happily on Streamline anything produced by them in the last 15 years will run on the standard most commonly used for handbuilt OO track. Their wheels nowadays are a reasonable approximation of RP25/110. That "advice" page reads as if someone has gaily replicated decades old material (and ancient prejudices) with a scanner, then cut and pasted it into HTML - regardless of modern realities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Oh dear .... some serious misinformation there! The comments on Hornby are grotesquely wrong. Not only will all Hornby stock from about the last 30 years run happily on Streamline anything produced by them in the last 15 years will run on the standard most commonly used for handbuilt OO track. Their wheels nowadays are a reasonable approximation of RP25/110. That "advice" page reads as if someone has gaily replicated decades old material (and ancient prejudices) with a scanner, then cut and pasted it into HTML - regardless of modern realities I agree The trouble is that there is enough in there that is true to mislead the unwary into assuming it's all true which it most certainly isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 F-Unit, I definitely agree those % points are close to correct, but results here could be different, depending on who, and how many, do actually vote. Curious, have you a fave F Unit paint scheme? Colin, take a look at this chart, it 'might' be a bit clearer, at least for UK modelling. http://www.brmna.org/modinf.shtml Jim Not really. it doesn't even manage to get the gauge right for S. Misinformation is not at all useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF51 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Well, my apologies for posting something I thought 'might' help clear up some of the OP's confusion. Guess it wasn't helpful. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted April 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2016 No need for apology JimF51. There is much misinformation out there and the problem is not helped by the fact that the OP has mixed up scale and gauge. And to be honest I have also been guilty of doing this many times in the past and will probably do so again in the future. As a consequence, all of the narrow and broad gauge modellers are excluded from the standard choices and can only choose "other". Which probably explains why the current results are way off the predictions above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Well, my apologies for posting something I thought 'might' help clear up some of the OP's confusion. Guess it wasn't helpful. Jim You didn't draft that web page, and may well have been an unwitting victim of its misinformation... Somebody else needs to clean it up, asap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin30762 Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 No need for apology JimF51. There is much misinformation out there and the problem is not helped by the fact that the OP has mixed up scale and gauge. And to be honest I have also been guilty of doing this many times in the past and will probably do so again in the future. As a consequence, all of the narrow and broad gauge modellers are excluded from the standard choices and can only choose "other". Which probably explains why the current results are way off the predictions above. Hi Andy Sorry about the narrow gauge bit, I was not used to setting up a poll on here it went live before I could do anything about that as I model in 00n3 myself Regards Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaym481 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I'm trying to reconcile my preferred gauge/scale and the one I model. I don't mind N Gauge, but the variety of stock and traction in OO is enticing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I think part of the confusion is historic from the meaning of 00 or OO having changed more than once. 00 originally referred simply to the gauge (5/8 inch then 16mm then 16.5mm) extending the existing model engineering gauge series 3,2,1,0, to 00 and later 000. Modellers used it for both 4mm/ft and the correct 3.5mm/ft scale* but as 4mm/ft scale became the far more popular of the two scales in Briitain, 3.5mm/ft on 16.5mm gauge was rechristened as H0 (a term coined by J.N. Maskelyne the editor of Model Railway News) and was eventually adopted worldwide. In Britain OO then came to mean 4mm/ft scale whether that used 16.5mm, 18mm or the correct (to the nearest half millimetre) 19mm gauge. When the BRMSB (AFAIK an initiative led by Maskelyne with the other editors) tried to bring some order and consistency to the smaller scales (O, HO and OO) during the war when manufacturers had been turned to other things, they defined OO as 4mm/ft scale with two gauges 16.5mm for "standard" OO and 18mm for "scale" OO and it wasn't until about 1950 that "scale" OO was redesignated EM and from then on OO (in Britain) meant the scale/gauge combination of 4mm/ft and 16.5 mm gauge when referring to standard gauge track and rolling stock but simply the scale when referring to anything else including narrow gauge railways (OOn3, OO9, OOn2 etc) My own view and I know others will disagree is that, though it was intended by the BRMSB to avoid confusion, separating 18mm gauge from OO with a different name was a mistake as it effectively made the 16.5mm gauge that had been seen as coarse scale OO the "real" OO and gave 18mm gauge a permanent minority status that told the "average" modeller that it wasn't for them. Outside Britain there was also rationalisation. In N. America in the late 1930s the NMRA defined HO as 3.5mm/ft scale or 1:87.1 with 16.5mm gauge and OO as 4mm/ft scale or 1:76.2 with 19mm gauge now commonly referred to here as American OO but there simply as OO usually with a warning not confuse it with "British OO" . In the rest of Europe models using 16.5mm gauge track had been referred to as both H0 and 00 with some differences of scale (I've seen 1:86, 1:87 and 1:80) but in 1953 a meeting of national associations of model railway clubs settled on H0 with a scale of 1:87 (so very slightly different from N. American HO) and set up a jointly owned international body to set standards based in Switzerland. *An even more complex situation grew up around O gauge which can mean one of three scales 1:48 in N. America, 1:43.5 in Britain and some of Europe notably France, and 1:45 in most of Europe particularly Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 *An even more complex situation grew up around O gauge which can mean one of three scales 1:48 in N. America, 1:43.5 in Britain and some of Europe notably France, and 1:45 in most of Europe particularly Germany Best not even start on all the N gauge variants and 2mm finescale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campaman Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I model in 1/76.2 or 4mm scale, using 00 gauge at this point, although I may have a dabble in P4 gauge in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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