Andy Y Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Bachmann Branchline V3 locomotive features Next 18 decoder socket Bachmann Europe Plc has fitted a Next 18 DCC decoder socket to the new chassis due to be introduced shortly underneath the LNER V1/V3 2-6-2T locomotives. These will be the first British outline locomotives to feature this new standard of socket. Next 18 is used by a number of European model manufacturers including our German company Liliput. The European Standards are set by NEM (Normen Europäischer Modellbahnen (German), Normas Europeas de Modelismo (Spanish) or Normes Européennes de Modélisme (French) who set the standards on behalf of MOROP (The European Union of Model Railroad and Railroad fans). The new decoder offers a number of advantages over other types notably: Its compact layout and small size (15mm long and 9.5mm wide) is similar in size to the existing 6PIN decoder. However, it removes the need for the pins sticking out which can easily be bent and is therefore smaller overall than the 6PIN type. It avoids the need to solder speaker wires or auxiliary function wires to the decoder. It offers greater flexibility over previous types. Next 18 is a standard (MOROP / NEM 662) and not a brand and is supported by most of the European decoder suppliers. Bachmann will be introducing a Next 18 decoder into its range of DCC decoders shortly (36-567). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Odds on the red box lot not adopting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Odds on the red box lot not adopting it. I can understand why though. What we've got already works well. Inthe future when you come to return a loco to DC or buy a loco at a toy fair missing its blacking plug and its got one of thes things fitted, its going to be an almightly faff to put right if you can't find a blanking plug or conveniently the manufacture says "Sorry, non in stock" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2016 I can understand why though. What we've got already works well. Inthe future when you come to return a loco to DC or buy a loco at a toy fair missing its blacking plug and its got one of thes things fitted, its going to be an almightly faff to put right if you can't find a blanking plug or conveniently the manufacture says "Sorry, non in stock" Returning a loco to DC is a doddle even without a blanking plug. Just cut the wires either side of the chip holder and join them together. Leave short stubs behind to facilitate reconnecting the DCC in case you decide to flog it on later. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2016 Odds on the red box lot not adopting it. They might wait to see what comes next (or next but one) after Next 18. DCC chips are getting a bit like I-Phones. There'll be another one along by Christmas............ John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 FIRST British outline loco? Does this mean it will be out before the Farish Castle? Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Returning a loco to DC is a doddle even without a blanking plug. Just cut the wires either side of the chip holder and join them together. Leave short stubs behind to facilitate reconnecting the DCC in case you decide to flog it on later. John Yes I know, but if trying to return the loco to "as new" then its not the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 They might wait to see what comes next (or next but one) after Next 18. DCC chips are getting a bit like I-Phones. There'll be another one along by Christmas... On the positive side, Next18 was introduced after the supposed 'new standard' PluX connector system, which was then found to be inadequate. So you are ahead of the curve there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 On the positive side, Next18 was introduced after the supposed 'new standard' PluX connector system, which was then found to be inadequate. So you are ahead of the curve there... What was found to be inadequate with the PluX connector system? Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted May 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2016 I like the idea of not soldering wires to the chip. I take it you just solder to pads on the board looking at the photo. Will Bachmann be updating all its current models at some point. Or is it only being added to all new models for now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 What was found to be inadequate with the PluX connector system?... The perfect evidence of inadequacy. Announced with great fanfare as the new standard, and the next thing you know another connector has to be invented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Abel Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 The perfect evidence of inadequacy. Announced with great fanfare as the new standard, and the next thing you know another connector has to be invented. Hmmm, think Apple, anyone!! (Scenes from Apple tech. dev. - "well, everyone has our unique one-of-a-kind charger cable and a STANDARD headphone jack, let's create COMPLETELY NEW ones for the next iPhone", "cool, that'll be exciting for people, they'll love that" DUH!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Hopefully this might be of interest... On a recent visit to this years Bristol Model Railway Exhibition, as well as filming the main event, I also created a video of the Bachmann and Farish stand. On display where two painted samples of the new V3 and chassis, which I got some clip of, which might be of use... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owv8mKsPZo4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 During todays visit to my local shop in Colchester, was surprised to see stock of the new chassis V3s had arrived, this morning apparently, in both BR early and late livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yes they're due out about now, most stockists should get them next week at the current rate - there's a shipment in picking for us at the moment so so hopefully these are part of the contents Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hamlin Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Is there a listing of suppliers that do a next18 decoder? I usually use Lenz but it looks like they don't do one, yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Is there a listing of suppliers that do a next18 decoder? I usually use Lenz but it looks like they don't do one, yet ZIMO MX618N18 non-sound and ZIMO MX658N18 sound decoders have been available from Digitrains for some time, and I believe that Bachmann have announced their own branded non-sound decoders. Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 According to the dcc selector on the Coastal DCC website their are also the SL76 Next 18 from CT Elektronik, the LokPilot Micro v4 with Next 18 from ESU and also from ESU the LokSound Micro V3 - Next 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 ...I usually use Lenz but it looks like they don't do one, yet Me too, and I suspect that my standard method of snip snip snip snip solder solder solder solder will enable a Lenz standard to be installed. That'll be a lot cheaper than any Next18 decoder, I'm betcha, and I know that this decoder makes an excellent job of running a Bachmann small can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_man Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Yes they're due out about now, most stockists should get them next week at the current rate - there's a shipment in picking for us at the moment so so hopefully these are part of the contents Unfortunately Bachmann's own Next 18 decoder is not currently available! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted July 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2016 Hmmm, think Apple, anyone!! (Scenes from Apple tech. dev. - "well, everyone has our unique one-of-a-kind charger cable and a STANDARD headphone jack, let's create COMPLETELY NEW ones for the next iPhone", "cool, that'll be exciting for people, they'll love that" DUH!!) The really dumb thing about combining data and power in one cable is that you cannot borrow a power source without risking that it will install malware on you phone! http://www.welivesecurity.com/2013/08/01/revealed-how-a-malicious-charger-infects-iphone-with-spyware-in-under-a-minute/ and that link is three years OLD! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2016 Hi. I have just purchased 67646 from Monk Bar Models, York. It was tested in the shop, and runs very smoothly and quietly on DC. A couple of photo's will follow after I get back home. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2016 Hi, again. Here are the two photo's of the V3 2-6-2T. As previously described it is only the chassis that has been upgraded. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Another backtrack coming as with the V2 now getting a new body when they find they don't sell well ? No logic in just redoing the chassis only, the body is from 1992 and it is simply awful compared to current standards !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 No logic in just redoing the chassis only, There's actually a substantial amount of logic to it; it's about maintaining a sales level at reasonable development costs. Historical evidence has shown that a re-tooled chassis and body for an existing model produced only marginally better sales at significant cost. If you can upgrade a chassis to be DCC ready and maintain sales then that's sensible; if you can later afford to upgrade a body to again maintain sales at least you've got some return in the interim without the full cost of a new product development. Bachmann have had a steady programme of upgrading chassis for DCC alongside new products, the same can't be said for all manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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