Class 92 And the Scottish sleeper photos

[GWRPhil]

I have recently been lucky enough to see and photo a rare loco as far down south as I am. A Caledonian sleeper liveried 92 and it was in dollands moor. It prompted me to see if I could upload the pics to a topic on Rmweb for everyone to see. On searching there was no topic to this great loco, so I've started one. Please feel free to post pictures and discussions on this topic.

 

So here to start are the 92 pictures from dollands moor

Edited September 27, 2019 by GWRPhil

[Titan]

I wonder if it is providing cover for a 92 that would normally be at Dollands Moor?

[Glorious NSE]

Aren't the CS loco's actually leased to them from GBRF, if so it's probably standing in for a GBRF one?

Oddly enough the only time i've shot a CS 92 it wasn't pulling a sleeper train either! 

(92018 plus DIT 90041, Rugeley TV, 25/9/15)



Back to normality - 92041 passing through Kensington Olympia with the empty Ebange steel empties, 12th Oct 2009

[MGR Hooper!]

My favorite loco... Glad someone started this thread.

[GWRPhil]

My favorite loco... Glad someone started this thread.

If you've got any photos please feel free to post them.

[GWRPhil]

I'm hoping to get some more photos soon of 92's at dollands moor.

[jamie92208]

I must try and dig out my 92 photos.  They are very good looking locos.   I once saw one on the test train with the ill fated Euronight stock heading north at Warrington but seem to remember that I only managed to snap the train going away.  Thanks for starting this thread.

 

Jamie

[jonny777]

If you've got any photos please feel free to post them.

 

 

Here is 92044 passing Norton Bridge with a container train in 1999

 

 

 

 

 

And 92007 caught on camera as best as possible through the maze of wires and supports at Willesden Low Level in 2006

 

 

[Fat Controller]

I wonder if it is providing cover for a 92 that would normally be at Dollands Moor?

It's been at Coquelles for maintenance; all the GBRf 92s are diagrammed to pass through there. They used to work down on the intermodal from Daventry to Italy (Norfolk Line), but this hasn't run for a while, so they run down light engine.

[Glorious NSE]

92003 climbs up from the junctions at Wandsworth Road with 4O69 Trafford Park to Dollands Moor (to Muizen) - 4th Aug 2006. Lovely mix of loads...

[Jamesb]

A couple from me. My least favourite class of loco, but worthy of photography nonetheless.

 

 

25/7/14 92 016 at Eden Valley loop.

 

 

30/06/2006. 92 022 in the Up bay at Warrington Bank Quay.

 

 

30/06/2006. 92 022 heading north with log carrying wagons. Don't know the reporting number or destination of this service. 

 

Somewhere near Lichfield Trent Valley ( I forget where exactly), waiting at a red due to a track circuit failure ahead. Although not a complete view, it does give some idea of the cab layout of these god awful things. 

[class"66"]

Lots of nice pictures here Phil..

[penyghent]

A couple from me. My least favourite class of loco, but worthy of photography nonetheless.

 

 

25/7/14 92 016 at Eden Valley loop.

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30/06/2006. 92 022 in the Up bay at Warrington Bank Quay.

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30/06/2006. 92 022 heading north with log carrying wagons. Don't know the reporting number or destination of this service. 

92022wbq2.jpg

 

Somewhere near Lichfield Trent Valley ( I forget where exactly), waiting at a red due to a track circuit failure ahead. Although not a complete view, it does give some idea of the cab layout of these god awful things. 

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Why pray tell do you refer to them as "God awful things"?

[Jamesb]

Why pray tell do you refer to them as "God awful things"?

Because I've had  the unfortunate pleasure of driving them. Whether it's the driving seat with the unadjustable back rest, the windows that are a finger trap hazard, the fact that all the controls work in the opposite direction to everything else on the network or the fact that they throw their teddies out with frightening regularity, I just don't like them. That's why!

[Fat Controller]

Why pray tell do you refer to them as "God awful things"?

I've called them worse names, especially when they've decided they want to stop in the tunnel; I had the same one (92001, I can remember the number 15 years on) stop on three consecutive mornings on the same train. They seem to have had a disproportionate number of problems over the years, possibly being overly-sensitive to fluctuations in line voltage.

[penyghent]

I've called them worse names, especially when they've decided they want to stop in the tunnel; I had the same one (92001, I can remember the number 15 years on) stop on three consecutive mornings on the same train. They seem to have had a disproportionate number of problems over the years, possibly being overly-sensitive to fluctuations in line voltage.

will probably be writing an article about them at some point, so all information regarding their performance from a drivers perspective is helpful. I have read about their propensity for sitting down if they don't like the amount of leccy in the lines!

[nightstar.train]

will probably be writing an article about them at some point, so all information regarding their performance from a drivers perspective is helpful. I have read about their propensity for sitting down if they don't like the amount of leccy in the lines!

Apparently that propensity has been messing up the Scottish sleepers a lot. There's one patch of line on the WCML that's particularly prone to voltage fluctuations, and the 92s sit down and refuse to go further. Not a problem for 86s, 87s, and 90s, they just ignore it and power on. I'll be interested to see how the new 88s cope. At least if they sit down they can fire up the diesel and limp clear.

[EddieB]

For sake of balance, here's one from "the other side" - 92026 at Fréthun, March 1998.

 

[Titan]

will probably be writing an article about them at some point, so all information regarding their performance from a drivers perspective is helpful. I have read about their propensity for sitting down if they don't like the amount of leccy in the lines!

 

Could be down to the interference current monitoring software. Go over the limit and the loco sits down in order to save the signalling.  There seemed to be quite a lot of paranoia about how such a complex and powerful loco might affect signalling circuits, and unfortunately the limits set were far below the amount of interference that other locos put out which everything seemed perfectly happy with.

 

A probably little known fact - Due to the immense power of these locos the buffers and drawgear are insulated to ensure that all the return current when operating on third rail actually goes through the brushes on the axles rather than finding its way through the drawgear and bearings of the wagons behind...

[DaveF]

While I was sorting out some photos today I came across this one.

 

It was taken at Ulgham Lane crossing, which is on the ECML north of Morpeth, between Newcastle and Edinburgh in July 2007.

 

 

Ulgham Lane Crossing 92029 down freight 4th July 2007 DSC_1829

 

 

David

Edited May 16, 2016 by DaveF

[Phil Mc]

One from me.

 

Cheers,

Phil.

[SGJ]

92005, 92018, 92026, and 92035 are the only  photos I have of the 92`s all four are at open days ( Crewe and Old Oak Common ).

 

 

 

 

[class"66"]

More interesting photos my mate

[phil-b259]

Could be down to the interference current monitoring software. Go over the limit and the loco sits down in order to save the signalling.  There seemed to be quite a lot of paranoia about how such a complex and powerful loco might affect signalling circuits, and unfortunately the limits set were far below the amount of interference that other locos put out which everything seemed perfectly happy with.

 

A probably little known fact - Due to the immense power of these locos the buffers and drawgear are insulated to ensure that all the return current when operating on third rail actually goes through the brushes on the axles rather than finding its way through the drawgear and bearings of the wagons behind...

 

It needs to be remembered that the 92s were the first use of AC traction motors in a British locomotive (as opposed to an EMU - the Networkers being the first unit to feature them) and as such display many of the problems common to the 1st of anything new. This is compounded by the complexity of their operations - having to squeeze in TVM430 in cab signalling, having key electrical gear duplicated and enhanced fire suppression systems for tunnel use, a very high current draw on 750V DC to cope with the heavy freights and 'Nightstar' sleepers for 3rd rail land plus all the BR 25KV stuff.

 

Its also worth remembering just how technology has changed in 20 odd years. At the time the 92s were being designed the cutting edge of technology in computing terms was Windows 3.0 with the control gear needed to actually make use of AC drive technology being rather bulky and relatively crude. As such line voltage fluctuations could well cause such early electronics problems.

 

20 years on the rate of progress is such that the class 88s will be far more refined in terms of their electronics and are unlikely to suffer the same fate - though of course they have the advantage of not having all the extra stuff / restrictions that the Channel Tunnel poses.

Edited June 2, 2016 by phil-b259

[Southernman46]

For sake of balance, here's one from "the other side" - 92026 at Fréthun, March 1998.

 

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"There is a corner of a loco cab in a foreign yard that will remain forever England" .......................................

 

 

 

(with apologies to Rupert Brooke)

Edited June 2, 2016 by Southernman46