RAIB Issues it Final Report into the WCRC Wootton Bassett SPAD

[The Stationmaster]

RAIB has issued its final report into the above incident (link to the full report is at the bottom of this page).  interesting almost as much for what it doesn't say (or question) as much as for what it does say some of it left me absolutely flabbergasted, especially Paragraph 89 where the Driver considered his route knowledge to be good enough if he was 'broadly aware' of the position of signals and junctions' and 'he would not normally expect to know every signal unless he worked the route daily'.  So, by implication, signals protecting an important and busy junction didn't really matter all that much as long as he was 'broadly aware' of them

 

An interesting comment is the question of braking distances with steam hauled trains which could well develop further.  However as it is not mentioned anywhere in this context in the Report I do wonder to what extent the rising gradient in rear of signal SN45 has been taken into account in drawing the various conclusions.  while being used to the 'old' HMRI method of compiling Reports I was rather surprised by the lack of a full consideration in detail in respect of the condition and adjustment of the train's brakes which could be significant in any stopping distance.

 

Anyway you'll find the summary and link to the full Report here -

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-082016-signal-passed-at-danger-at-wootton-bassett-junction

[Boris]

So, by logical extension of the route learning argument if one was to ride up and down the route a few times as a passenger you would be able to sign the route?

 

Mind you Read About It Belatedly reports often contain more between the lines than in them

[uax6]

I spent some time yesterday reading it, and I found it quite confusing to be honest.

No-where in the main part of the report was it mentioned how to re-set TPWS properly (something that I have no-idea of) which I would have put in the report to explain how it really should be done.

 

It also seems to repeat itself a lot too....

 

Not one of their most readable, but does that have something to do with the court case I wonder?

 

Mind you the report into the Channel Tunnel report seems a bit like that too!

 

Andy G

[Dunsignalling]

RAIB has issued its final report into the above incident (link to the full report is at the bottom of this page).  interesting almost as much for what it doesn't say (or question) as much as for what it does say some of it left me absolutely flabbergasted, especially Paragraph 89 where the Driver considered his route knowledge to be good enough if he was 'broadly aware' of the position of signals and junctions' and 'he would not normally expect to know every signal unless he worked the route daily'.  So, by implication, signals protecting an important and busy junction didn't really matter all that much as long as he was 'broadly aware' of them

 

An interesting comment is the question of braking distances with steam hauled trains which could well develop further.  However as it is not mentioned anywhere in this context in the Report I do wonder to what extent the rising gradient in rear of signal SN45 has been taken into account in drawing the various conclusions.  while being used to the 'old' HMRI method of compiling Reports I was rather surprised by the lack of a full consideration in detail in respect of the condition and adjustment of the train's brakes which could be significant in any stopping distance.

 

Anyway you'll find the summary and link to the full Report here -

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-082016-signal-passed-at-danger-at-wootton-bassett-junction

Certain Signalling Inspectors (deceased) of my acquaintance will be rotating furiously.........

 

Paragraph 211 is also interesting - not a healthy place to see the word "probably" used IMHO. 

 

John

[Andy Y]

As per http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/104135-tangmere-spad-raib-update/page-5 the topic will be closed until all court cases are completed but thanks for the reference link.