mike tugsandsheds Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Would like to know which version would be right for current day operations with DRS ? as they all say Epoc 9 As there are 3 variants listed on the Bachmann Website 38-345FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon - Flat Floor & Round Buffers 38-346FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon - Sloping Floor, Changeover Valve & Oval Buffers 38-347FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon - Sloping Floor & Round If anyone can help then I can get my pre order right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer_Saturday Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 If I could just add to this - please could someone in-the-know outline the eras for all three of these as I want to get one that is suitable for the sectorisation period. This wagon has been on my MREMag wish list for years but I don't know much about the detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris bales Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hello if you google nuclear flask train theres a nice little vid on you tube of a couple of DRS 20s at Dungerness with what i would say was a flat bed flask wagon with round buffers taken in 2008. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hiya I found photo of direct rail service class 37601 and 37609 haul two fna wagon have round buffers by 2009 - http://www.railbrit.org.uk/images/23000/23268.jpg Bachmann 38-345 FNA round buffer I will buy some wagons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Take a look here, lots of photos of wagons. http://gallery6801.f...net/c25479.html Paul Bartlett's site again, the best place for wagon info/phots. Curiously, they seem to have started out with round buffers, lost them in favour of the squared off oval type and then regained round ones quite recently. Photos taken 3-4 years ago seem to mostly have the oval type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steadfast Posted March 11, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2010 I've got a very strong feeling that the buffers vary depending on when the wagons were built, and various websites seem to confirm this. It looks like the low numbers have got the round buffers, and the higher numbers have square ovals. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what Bachmann mean with flat and sloping floor - unless they mean the ones that were originally built as XKBs on which the line where the new side piece was welded on is very much visible. This photo of 550010 illustrates the join well, as well as round buffers, it is running with 550038, which has no weld and square oval buffers. As well as the XKB conversions, it looks like some of the early FNA build had round buffers too This pair I caught on the 9th Feb this year both have square ovals, but are higher numbered wagons (550040 and 052), and were built as FNAs. The photo posted earlier on of 550011 in 2009 seems to confirm this, as it is lowered numbered, and would have been built as an XKB. Interestingly, it also seems to have lost it's DRS blue livery, which I believe was unique. Here's hoping Bachmann get the colour right on the FNA - I don't know how many models I've seen painted desert sand! cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I think you're right, it's just a coincidence that the older photos I've seen are all of higher numbered ones. All the photos I've seen of ones above 550037 have oval buffers, the changeover is probably lower than that. The sloping floor is probably a reference to the side 'walls' rather than the floor itself. I wondered why this mod was done until I once saw them balancing a container cover on the end of a wagon whilst removing the flask - would be tricky if the end had a slope.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 I understand that they are built from Stainless Steel and when brand new were nice and shiny, the desert sand appearance is merely weathering over time. Cheers for the replies at least I know which one to pre order x 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 HI All The wagons are stainless steel, and every now and then they get shot blasted down to get them really clean to ensure there is no contamination. Regards Arran I understand that they are built from Stainless Steel and when brand new were nice and shiny, the desert sand appearance is merely weathering over time. Cheers for the replies at least I know which one to pre order x 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Davidjsmith Posted March 13, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2010 Were any of the future releases suitable for the early 80's period or did they come out later?thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steadfast Posted March 13, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2010 My point about the desert sand is that models that colour just look wrong! They go brown, not sand, and pass through grey on their way from stainless steel. The most convincing FNA I've seen modelled was Humbrol Metalcote with sleeper grime or frame dirt airbrushed on top. cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66540Ruby Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Hi, i've actually thought a lot about the colour of these, ....are Bachmann going to do them in grimey brown, in which case technically they would be 'weathered' .....or pristine, in stainless steel? (I live about 30m south of Sellafield and see lots of these, yet I have only seen one or two in shot-blasted stainless) also there is at least one (could be more by now) painted in DRS blue still with white/light grey flask cover. Hmmm. interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Some more info for you as I spend a great deal of time with these 'things' Only one in DRS blue havn't seen it for a while. Colour similar to that of heavily weathered Silver bullets, wagon body not painted. Any trains pre 2004 need to have a barrier wagons in the formation. I think guards vans finished when DRS took over. Will check the numbers of round/oval buffers when I next get a chance. The most I've ever dragged was 11 off S'Field in 2006 with a pair of 37's and 2 dead 20's, very heavy something like a 1000 tons. cheerio Claggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steadfast Posted March 15, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2010 Only one in DRS blue havn't seen it for a while. Claggy Hiya Claggy, The blue one was 550011 - which is seen in post #4 of this thread, looking recently cleaned (silver/grey is visible!) which suggests it's now 'just another' FNA, presumably the shot blasting removed the paint. cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 What sort of thing should I be looking at getting for 'barrier wagons' for a mid 80's service? I've seen pictures with a coal hopper, and the later conversions of basically the chassis with a weight on it, but I didn't know if there was anything else that could have been utilised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Before the HEA based ones (with/without body) there were barriers based on BR ferryvans (like the old Triang/Hornby model) Similar to: http://www.gallery6801.fotopic.net/p1445430.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I believe I have one of those tucked away in my 'spares' box if I can find it somewhere, thanks. Any other exciting barrier options? Still sticking with the 80's, was a brake van used or did someone travel in the loco rear cab? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I believe I have one of those tucked away in my 'spares' box if I can find it somewhere, thanks. Any other exciting barrier options? Still sticking with the 80's, was a brake van used or did someone travel in the loco rear cab? AFAIK brakevans were used right to the end of Transrail operations. We used to have a Rugby crew travel to Crewe to work a train to Rugby via Bescot, detaching portions with us. I'm guessing they were probably our last brakevan jobs, because we would have had to supply cabs for the Bridgewater and Berkeley portions. This was certainly post 1994. Whether brakevan usage ceased prior to the handover, or on handover to DRS I really can't remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmg123 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 The most I've ever dragged was 11 off S'Field in 2006 with a pair of 37's and 2 dead 20's, very heavy something like a 1000 tons. cheerio Claggy How come it had the dead 20' s as well? four locos and 11 waggons must have looked quite entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 We'd reguarly leave Sellafield with 3 or 4 trains put together. They would be for say Valley, Bridgwater and Dungeness. The train engines would work though to London for example and the 2 engines inside could go onto Valley of wherever. The reverse would happen on 7C53 off Crewe to Sellafield in a morning. It didn't always happen like that just depended on where locos were and what trains were required. Some days it could be 4 engines and 1 flask DRS never operated with brake vans as far as I know, guard rides in rear cab. Cheerio Claggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven156 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I hope Bachmann do a DRS blue flask next year, theres not a lot of them but they do exist! Why did the decided to do an FNA, literally a week after I put the transfers onto my kit built ones! Ah well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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