End of Steam weathered 9F

[melmerby]

Hi all

 

Bachmann have recently announced a "heavily weathered" 9F to their range.

See here:

http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=328

 

IMHO that loco is almost pristine! The cab side number and tender logo are hardly dirty!

It looks more like typical work-a-day condition of a 9F.

 

A real "end of steam" loco would be so bad that it was difficult to see what colour it was let alone clearly make out the number!

 

What do others think?

 

Cheers

 

Keith

 

[Stueyboy43]

I think it looks great, yes i agree there were locos that would barely have the number or crest visible, but you can always add more weathering to suit, it is easy to add weathering, but difficult to take it off!

 

Nice to see that it has not just taken a dip in mud and a variety of colours are applied.

[Hilux5972]

Yeah it's not quite end of steam I think but it definitely looks great with the variations in weathering colours.

[Signaller69]

Looks more subtle than some of their attempts imho, better colour choice than some of the mud splattered effects as Stueyboy says. Understated maybe for "the end" but looks overall generally a decent job.

[Ian Hargrave]

Looks as if it's been ex-works for about a week....heavy breathing as opposed to heavy weathering

[Phil Bullock]

So who will be first to take the rear set of rods off and run it as a 2-8-2?

 

A loco was running off Carnforth in that condition in the last months of steam

 

Phil

[JSpencer]

They have done weathered 9Fs before.

 

Here is one their first ones complete with dirt removed around the numbers and logo:

 

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs3.picclick.com%2Fd%2Fw1600%2Fpict%2F302039453278_%2FBachmann-Class-9f-92044-BR1F-Tender-BR-Late.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicclick.co.uk%2FBachmann-Class-9f-92044-BR1F-Tender-BR-Late-302039453278.html&h=810&w=1440&tbnid=r8dL94d4_UOfCM%3A&docid=Vl_aFlo2gohV9M&itg=1&ei=Lk3WV8yhLefegAbU3IeQCw&tbm=isch&client=firefox-b&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=2677&page=1&start=20&ndsp=28&ved=0ahUKEwjM8NnZm4nPAhVnL8AKHVTuAbIQMwg4KBUwFQ&bih=789&biw=1440

[Enterprisingwestern]

My memories of the end of steam at Patricroft, Newton Heath et al, is plenty of rust of all shades and no smokebox numberplates, as has been said, this 9F is almost ex works.

 

Mike.

[Hilux5972]

So who will be first to take the rear set of rods off and run it as a 2-8-2?

 

A loco was running off Carnforth in that condition in the last months of steam

 

Phil

I dont suppose anyone managed to get a picture of this loco in this condition? I'm highly tempted now

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

I'm completely unconvinced by that Bachmann weathering job.  

 

Here's something more typical....

 

 

 

 

I know the last two are actually withdrawn, but they would have been pretty much like that in service - only the wheels and motion would not be so rusty.

 

To my mind, the only way to get a weathering finish that is prototypical is to build up many layers of paint and powders of the right tones and colours, over a period of time and paying attention as to what causes the weathering on the locomotive.  In other words, a bespoke job by hand - not achievable in a factory rtr context.

 

I've had a go a couple of times, but not really satisfied with my own efforts

 

 

(Hope copyright holders won't mind, as no evil commercial intentions but these are good colour views to illustrate the point)

 

 

[JSpencer]

I'm completely unconvinced by that Bachmann weathering job.  

 

Here's something more typical....

 

Carlisle 92130.jpg

 

00001-d-salmon-92094-edge-hill.jpg

 

00001-d-salmon-92123-92014-edge-hill.jpg

 

I know the last two are actually withdrawn, but they would have been pretty much like that in service - only the wheels and motion would not be so rusty.

 

To my mind, the only way to get a weathering finish that is prototypical is to build up many layers of paint and powders of the right tones and colours, over a period of time and paying attention as to what causes the weathering on the locomotive.  In other words, a bespoke job by hand - not achievable in a factory rtr context.

 

I've had a go a couple of times, but not really satisfied with my own efforts

 

post-238-0-64100200-1367076812.jpg

 

(Hope copyright holders won't mind, as no evil commercial intentions but these are good colour views to illustrate the point)

 

The first photo is indeed very typical. The second shows that the loco was running on water which was not treated. Bachmann have added streaks of lime scale which is not typical, and would only happen if the shed in question thought "it will be scrapped soon so lets not bother removing all the minerals from the water first".

Such build up in the boiler would certainly reduce life expectancy fast for sure.

[jonny777]

I'm not sure this is near the end of BR steam, because I believe it to be up coal empties on the GC, and 92067 was withdrawn before the end of 1966 (after 10 yrs and 10 mths BR service - one of the longer lasting examples).

 

But as you can see, real weathering is a far more severe and complex palette of colours with no silk sheen to the finish.

 

 

[The Stationmaster]

Weathering depends on numerous factors and there isn't really a 'one size fits all' answer as the state of the water regularly used plus amount of work the engine did all and even the coal used all had a bearing as well as levels of maintenance attention.  Best answr is to work from pics of engines in the area you are modelling, especially if you have white streaking in mind.

[Enterprisingwestern]

Weathering depends on numerous factors and there isn't really a 'one size fits all' answer as the state of the water regularly used plus amount of work the engine did all and even the coal used all had a bearing as well as levels of maintenance attention.  Best answr is to work from pics of engines in the area you are modelling, especially if you have white streaking in mind.

 

Whilst not wishing to disagree with such a sagaceous person, but at the very end of steam, one size did fit virtually all, the only exceptions seemed to be the locos treated by the MNA.

 

Mike.

[Respite]

So who will be first to take the rear set of rods off and run it as a 2-8-2?

 

A loco was running off Carnforth in that condition in the last months of steam

 

Phil

This story has been bating about in the pages of Steam Railway for many years but this year there was a new article setting out to prove it is a myth. Yes there are photos of the loco without the rear connecting rods but it isn't known to have run like this.

[Phil Bullock]

I dont suppose anyone managed to get a picture of this loco in this condition? I'm highly tempted now

 

Stirred up the little grey cells and remembered it was 92167 - one of the erstwhile stoker fitted locos

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mark-walker/28453230420

 

Phil

[jonny777]

Weathering depends on numerous factors and there isn't really a 'one size fits all' answer as the state of the water regularly used plus amount of work the engine did all and even the coal used all had a bearing as well as levels of maintenance attention.  Best answr is to work from pics of engines in the area you are modelling, especially if you have white streaking in mind.

 

Yes, the problem with representing the white streaking (which on closer inspection is often not white, but a very light grey with a tinge of yellow and rust) is how to get the streaks thin enough. Even a 1/4 inch wide streak on the full size loco would scale down as approx 0.08mm on an 00 model.  A very fine human hair coated in paint might work, but I have yet to dare try it on a loco coasting in excess of £100.

[Phil Bullock]

Oil paint is your friend

 

Select appropriate colour - you can apply a couple together if wanted eg rust over scale - tiny spots with end of cocktail stick - and then drag downwards with a turps soaked cotton bud, creates streaking and removes excess , keep going until left with the effect you require. Can easily all be removed for a start again if goes pear shaped.

Stick to turps or white spirit and try on non critical area first - DO NOT use thinners, much increased risk of base coat removal.

 

Have used on wagons and is very effective - will find picture tonight

 

Phil   

[The Stationmaster]

This story has been bating about in the pages of Steam Railway for many years but this year there was a new article setting out to prove it is a myth. Yes there are photos of the loco without the rear connecting rods but it isn't known to have run like this.

 

Interestingly the story predates the first appearance of 'Steam Railway' by around two years as the earliest date I can trace for it is in a 1977 book by Brian Haresnape where it was claimed that the engine ran as a 2-8-2 for some months although the source is not given

[Phil Bullock]

And here she is with her full set of rods in Nov 67

 

http://www.steamtraingalleries.co.uk/image/steam_in_the_sixties_lmr_082.jpg

 

Phil

[jonny777]

Loose Grip is usually a reliable source, and so the date of 9th June 1968 on this photo of it still as a 2-10-0 seems reasonable. As it was withdrawn in the same month, the time frame for this event is very short. The loco has a bash to the tender, so would surely not have gone very far after this date.

 

Forgot to add link - https://www.flickr.com/photos/90134546@N00/4080493535

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

I can't imagine BR would be so short of motive power that it would conscience using a 2-10-0 in 2-8-2 configuration.  It may have waddled down the dump line to its final resting place, and that may have been enough to spark off the Over Excitables.

[coachmann]

Criticism of Bachmann's mass-production effort is right if one is disputing that it represent's an end -of-steam finish, but it is fine for earlier years. There are plenty of pictures around by photographers such as Keith Pirt showing engines shortly after repaint with limescale streaks from washout plugs and priming oil all down the smokebox and boiler. Judging by what appears on railway forums, many people fall flat on their face when attempting weathering so this Bachmann mass-production jobbie should suit quite a few people. It would suit me as a starting point, in fact I often chose the factory-weathered option.

[melmerby]

It looks good as a mass production RTR but it just isn't bad enough for "end of steam" condition IMHO.

 

 

Keith

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

I can't imagine BR would be so short of motive power that it would conscience using a 2-10-0 in 2-8-2 configuration.  It may have waddled down the dump line to its final resting place, and that may have been enough to spark off the Over Excitables.

 70013  (Brit) was run as a single (6-2-4!) from Norwich to Doncaster, taking itself to Works light engine to cure wheels moved on axles, (D.W. 'Bill' Harvey). So the possibility of running a 9F as a 2-8-2 for a similar purpose would seem to be there.