sd70m-2FAN Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I've been looking to buy the Intermountain Canadian 4550 cubic ft cylindrical grain hoppers, in various liveries such as the "Canada" government of Canada cars. However there aren't many on ebay and aswell as costing about $30 a piece the postage is very steep - often at $22 or so. Â Â So i was wondering if anyone knew of any shops who do mail order, here in the UK that would stock these. Â Im fine with both the ready to run and/or the kit variety. Â cheers! Â R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I can't help you with sources except to say that the Intermountain cars are quite well detailed which is reflected in their price.  What I will point out is that the various Canada cars, the Alberta cars, and the Saskatchewan cars were all (as built) specific to either CN or CP and that was reflected in the lettering. CNWX and CPWX were, respectively, the CN-allocated and CP-allocated cars. ALNX and ALPX were the equivalent Alberta cars and SKNX and SKPX were the equivalent Saskatchewan cars. Most of the Canada cars are now lettered CN and CP with the WX patched out.  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted September 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2016 Try the American Railroad centre in Bodmin - I was in there last week and I think they did have some of the cylindrical hoppers. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 I can't help you with sources except to say that the Intermountain cars are quite well detailed which is reflected in their price.  What I will point out is that the various Canada cars, the Alberta cars, and the Saskatchewan cars were all (as built) specific to either CN or CP and that was reflected in the lettering. CNWX and CPWX were, respectively, the CN-allocated and CP-allocated cars. ALNX and ALPX were the equivalent Alberta cars and SKNX and SKPX were the equivalent Saskatchewan cars. Most of the Canada cars are now lettered CN and CP with the WX patched out.  Adrian Hi Adrian. yes I was aware of the lettering, my plan was simply if I could only get hold of CP cars (I am going to be doing CN and my own made up shortline coming off a CN line, probably off the Wainwright or Watrous subs near Saskatoon), I would just redo the lettering.  I will already have to do that with a Bachmann hopper I got at a show which has CPWX on it!  cheers R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Try the American Railroad centre in Bodmin - I was in there last week and I think they did have some of the cylindrical hoppers. Chris Hi Chris, thanks for that. Now looked up their site and they have some "take an Alberta break" cars. Â cheers and thanks again! Â R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Hi Adrian. yes I was aware of the lettering, my plan was simply if I could only get hold of CP cars (I am going to be doing CN and my own made up shortline coming off a CN line, probably off the Wainwright or Watrous subs near Saskatoon), I would just redo the lettering.  I will already have to do that with a Bachmann hopper I got at a show which has CPWX on it!  cheers R  Sounds good. There are various websites that show the number sequences for the cars. http://www.nakina.net/private/cnwx.html http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=wheatboard#covhop http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=sask http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=alberta   The Bachmann car, while usually nicely decorated, is not a Canadian car. It is the slightly higher capacity car with stepped. rather than straight, ends. It is otherwise a reasonable stand-in.  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sounds good. There are various websites that show the number sequences for the cars. http://www.nakina.net/private/cnwx.html http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=wheatboard#covhop http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=sask http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/displayrailway.pl?o=alberta   The Bachmann car, while usually nicely decorated, is not a Canadian car. It is the slightly higher capacity car with stepped. rather than straight, ends. It is otherwise a reasonable stand-in.  Adrian Yeah I did notice that the Bachmann car shape was a bit off but as you said, a suitable enough stand in.  I was browsing the walthers site and found these, I didnt even know they made them!  Any experience with these at all?  https://www.walthers.com/59-cylindrical-hopper-ready-to-run-canada-cnwx-109904-red-yellow-white-large-canada-double-wheat-sheaf  R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yeah I did notice that the Bachmann car shape was a bit off but as you said, a suitable enough stand in.  I was browsing the walthers site and found these, I didnt even know they made them!  Any experience with these at all?  https://www.walthers.com/59-cylindrical-hopper-ready-to-run-canada-cnwx-109904-red-yellow-white-large-canada-double-wheat-sheaf  R They are a brand new model that I don't think (?) has actually hit shops yet, but they do look pretty good, not a long way off the Intermountain, and as they are regular Walthers stock you should be able to (pre)order easily via UK Walthers dealers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hughes Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Rapido have announced proper scale Canadian wheat hoppers, which look gorgeous but are well out of my era. Â Ancient boxcars are more my style! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Its worth noting that the different manufacturers' cyclindrical hoppers are all of different prototypes with the exception of the Intermountain and new Walthers ones Bachmann - National Steel Car 4650cf (cubic foot capacity) Intermountain - National Steel Car 4550cf Atlas - American Car and Foundry 3500c PWRS - Hawker Siddeley 4550cf Rapido - Marine Industries and National Steel Car 3800cf Walthers Mainline - National Steel Car 4550cf As mentioned the Walthers cars will probably be cheaper and easier to get in the UK. Looking at pics they seem fairly balanced detail wise, with some bit better on one and other bit better on others. The Intermountain ones have etched walkways, which are finer but tend to bow, the Walthers has plastic but see-through ones which should stay straighter but might be slightly more chunky, The Walthers one also has moulded hand rails while the Intermountain one has wire. This is most obvious on the ones at the ends of the top walkway,  Compare Walthers Intermountain And a real NSC 4550cf All the Alberta ones I've seen pics of have the 10 panels as opposed to the 13 of the IM and Walthers models  These cars came with different shapes of roof hatches (troughs) depending on whether they were for grain or other materials, but I can never remember which is which!  One other thing, just because your layout is on a CN line doesn't mean that the cars have to all be CN owned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I checked out the prototypes of the Bachmann model. From what I can see they were mainly built for US roads as Adrian and more importantly for the modeller were/are all either grey or brown! http://www.railcarphotos.com/Search.php?SearchCarTypeID=22&SearchBldrID=209&SearchCapCuFt=4650&Search=Search Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 Its worth noting that the different manufacturers' cyclindrical hoppers are all of different prototypes with the exception of the Intermountain and new Walthers ones Bachmann - National Steel Car 4650cf (cubic foot capacity) Intermountain - National Steel Car 4550cf Atlas - American Car and Foundry 3500c PWRS - Hawker Siddeley 4550cf Rapido - Marine Industries and National Steel Car 3800cf Walthers Mainline - National Steel Car 4550cf As mentioned the Walthers cars will probably be cheaper and easier to get in the UK. Looking at pics they seem fairly balanced detail wise, with some bit better on one and other bit better on others. The Intermountain ones have etched walkways, which are finer but tend to bow, the Walthers has plastic but see-through ones which should stay straighter but might be slightly more chunky, The Walthers one also has moulded hand rails while the Intermountain one has wire. This is most obvious on the ones at the ends of the top walkway,  Compare Walthers Intermountain And a real NSC 4550cf All the Alberta ones I've seen pics of have the 10 panels as opposed to the 13 of the IM and Walthers models  These cars came with different shapes of roof hatches (troughs) depending on whether they were for grain or other materials, but I can never remember which is which!  One other thing, just because your layout is on a CN line doesn't mean that the cars have to all be CN owned. Thanks for all the info Talltim! Since the intermountain ones seem pretty difficult to get hold of I think i'll get hold of a bunch of Walthers ones when theyre out.  They look real nice to my eye and as Glorious NSE said above will be a lot easier to get hold of over here.   ...my real aim though is to see the real-life cars when i go out to Western Canada next yr (Edmonton, Calgary, Three Hills and possibly Vancouver) to visit family.....!  (And I'd also like to see CN sd70s of all tier generations that they own!)..  cheers! R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 Its worth noting that the different manufacturers' cyclindrical hoppers are all of different prototypes with the exception of the Intermountain and new Walthers ones Bachmann - National Steel Car 4650cf (cubic foot capacity) Intermountain - National Steel Car 4550cf Atlas - American Car and Foundry 3500c PWRS - Hawker Siddeley 4550cf Rapido - Marine Industries and National Steel Car 3800cf Walthers Mainline - National Steel Car 4550cf As mentioned the Walthers cars will probably be cheaper and easier to get in the UK. Looking at pics they seem fairly balanced detail wise, with some bit better on one and other bit better on others. The Intermountain ones have etched walkways, which are finer but tend to bow, the Walthers has plastic but see-through ones which should stay straighter but might be slightly more chunky, The Walthers one also has moulded hand rails while the Intermountain one has wire. This is most obvious on the ones at the ends of the top walkway,  Compare Walthers Intermountain And a real NSC 4550cf All the Alberta ones I've seen pics of have the 10 panels as opposed to the 13 of the IM and Walthers models  These cars came with different shapes of roof hatches (troughs) depending on whether they were for grain or other materials, but I can never remember which is which!  One other thing, just because your layout is on a CN line doesn't mean that the cars have to all be CN owned. I also didnt realize there were so many differences between different sorts of 4550cf cars, I knew there was National Steel and Hawker Siddley as the 2 companies who built them, but that was about the extent of my knowledge. interesting stuff though, thanks! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd70m-2FAN Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 They are a brand new model that I don't think (?) has actually hit shops yet, but they do look pretty good, not a long way off the Intermountain, and as they are regular Walthers stock you should be able to (pre)order easily via UK Walthers dealers? cheers, I agree with you on that, and have decided to go for Walthers ones as they are easier to order, Intermountain ones are very difficult to find online and on ebay etc. Â Looking forward to the Walthers ones coming out! Â Thanks! Â R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted September 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2016 You don't have to go out west to see them -- they come through Guelph even and I don't know what they're doing here (the line doesn't connect anywhere except at London and both big Rlys have their own routes from there). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I checked out the prototypes of the Bachmann model. From what I can see they were mainly built for US roads as Adrian and more importantly for the modeller were/are all either grey or brown! http://www.railcarphotos.com/Search.php?SearchCarTypeID=22&SearchBldrID=209&SearchCapCuFt=4650&Search=Search CP had 200 of the type modelled by Bachmann numbered in the range CPI 389450-389649, all grey and they were off the roster by April 1991 according to Canadian Rail Car Pictorial Vol7, I believe some went to Seaboard Coast Line.  http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp389548jpC.jpg  Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Â These cars came with different shapes of roof hatches (troughs) depending on whether they were for grain or other materials, but I can never remember which is which! Â One other thing, just because your layout is on a CN line doesn't mean that the cars have to all be CN owned. Â Trough hatches for grain, separate round hatches for other materials. Â The Canada/Alberta/Saskatchewan grain cars are an exception as they were allocated to either CN or CP and were kept on their allocated line as they were needed to maintain that line's grain transport commitments. AFAIK they didn't wander much until more recent times. Â Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Trough hatches for grain, separate round hatches for other materials.  The Canada/Alberta/Saskatchewan grain cars are an exception as they were allocated to either CN or CP and were kept on their allocated line as they were needed to maintain that line's grain transport commitments. AFAIK they didn't wander much until more recent times.  Adrian On CN at least, many Canada / Gov Canada cars have properly transferred to CN ownership, and are patched to CN marks (usually by painting out the other two letters!) - so far as I can tell as CN cars they can now been seen loading anywhere on CN (which includes the former IC, WC, GTW and so on....) and offline to any places that CN grain cars go!  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3230903 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4039415 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On CN at least, many Canada / Gov Canada cars have properly transferred to CN ownership, and are patched to CN marks (usually by painting out the other two letters!) - so far as I can tell as CN cars they can now been seen loading anywhere on CN (which includes the former IC, WC, GTW and so on....) and offline to any places that CN grain cars go!  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3230903 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4039415  Yes, most of the reporting mark changes occurred around 2003, when those cars were 20+ years old. A lot of grain is now carried in newer cars.  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I have a number of Intermountain Hoppers for sale. Â Anyone interested PM me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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