Can anyone tell me more about this coach - Hamblings ?

[tvivian]

Hi,

 

I have a model of an all metal Southern Royal Mail coach, see photo's. There are absolutely no makers markings on the coach, and only 'S5' on the end of the box, no makers stamps, nothing else. I am rather stumped as to its history. My thought was possibly Hamblings but this is quite some years before my time.

 

Would very much like to hear from anyone who can shed some light on it.

 

Many thanks

 

Terry

[bertiedog]

Hamblings coaches are one piece bodies with integral roof, all folded in a press, with cast metal ends ( or Wood). If it has a separate roof then not Hamblngs.

Bogies are not much use to identify, they may have been changed or fitted with other brands as they were made at a time of very severe shortages in materials after the war. They should be cast brass, with a brass stretcher plate, the ends turned over and the sides screwed on with the screws left to allow movement. But these were an LMS design, and used for everything! Only the LNER got a whitemetal bogie set.

Stephen

[tvivian]

Hi Stephen,

 

Many thanks for the info. The body and roof are indeed one piece, the ends are metal. I have attached a photo of the underside, although from your message, that may not be the deal clincher.

 

I actually have three of them, all the same except one is missing one of the gangways.

 

I don't suppose you have any sort of idea of an approximate value range ?  I don't really know what I want to do with them.

 

Many thanks

 

Terry

 

 

 

[bertiedog]

Value is very fraught with problems it is condition, condition and condition, that governs things, but a base of about £25 would seem  the lowest and a bit more if no dents, missing parts etc. But they is no established market for Hamblings items, they get discovered, but the value is in the hands of the owner. They are not in the league of say Exley coaches, which command very much higher amounts as there are collectors for them.

I can't see them selling for £50 tops, but in auction they might fetch that, but do not forget the fees.

Don't forget the rules on selling items on here, must be in the right section etc.

Stephen

[tvivian]

Hi Stephen,

 

Thanks again for all your help. I shall have a think about what to do with them. I know it has all changed on here in terms of selling, I haven't sold anything on here for a couple of years. I have an auction house near to me, I might just take them down there and see if they will sell them for me.

 

Rgds,

 

Terry

 

 

 

[bertiedog]

If you are Micmc on Ebay the £675:00 is the buy it now price!!!!

Are you seriously saying that these 3 coaches or one of them is selling at £675 ? I could not see any listed. Even though "rare", these are normally "rare as in uncommon, but not expensive, as little collected"

[bertiedog]

Traced the listing, it's Cartmel, who are being optimistic in the price to say the least. Condition appears average, but then rarity comes in, but to what extent? To rate the price it would be unused, tissue wrapped in a perfect box and with complete labels.

 

If it sells then put the ones you have on sale strictly one by one, do not reveal the three at once, but as I said I think the value is about £50 or so......but you never know.

Edited September 17, 2016 by bertiedog

[tvivian]

Hi,

 

I just had a look at that one on E-Bay, it looks very slightly different to mine (running numbers). As much as I would love to think these are worth £675 each (or anything remotely close to that), I cannot imagine that is the case. I don't really want to put them on E-Bay because if the market for them is thin, they will end up selling for next to nothing. I think I will swing past the local auction house and see what they can tell me.

 

The plus side, I inherited these so they don't owe me anything, and therefore I cannot miss what I never had !

 

Thanks again for all your help chaps, I knew this would be the place to ask.

 

 

[Golden Fleece 30]

The chap in the Lake District is WAY overpriced on anything, Exley coaches, Tri-ang TT, Anbrico etc. He has an Airfix railbus on with glue all over for over £20. None of these ever sell so don't go on the price he has. Even his descriptions are laughable with none matching the description itself. How can "mint or as new" be correct with dust and scratches on? I have watched his Exleys for about 5 years now and nothing sold.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Golden Fleece 30

[Il Grifone]

That railbus has been around for quite a long time. IIRC it started at about £50.... (Perhaps one day he will realise that it is not even worth the postage charge and bin it?)

 

Looking at the eBay item, I would have thought it obvious that the BR number is from a Kitmaster coach kit.

 

As to price, perhaps losing the first digit would be nearer the mark, considering it has the original box and is in excellent condition. The Kitmaster transfers should come off without problems.

 

Just out of interest I had a look for his cheapest items and found this

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-Hornby-0-No-A1-24-CURVE-LINE-ON-PARALLEL-SLEEPERS-/400918229871?hash=item5d5896b36f:m:mqstt-AgKNr4zHPyUvKLwMQ

 

A standard Hornby post war curved rail is worth about 50p in this condition. It's no wonder he has "More than 10 available".  

Edited September 18, 2016 by Il Grifone

[Golden Fleece 30]

As to price, perhaps losing the first digit would be nearer the mark, considering it has the original box and is in excellent condition.

 

 

David, I assume you mean the box is in good condition and not the model?

 

Garry

[Il Grifone]

Garry,

 

I meant to put "excellent" and forgot.

 

To be fair, the model is not bad The gangway connectors and the couplings leave something to be desired, but would be fairly easy to sort out (not at £675 of course - or even £75).

 

David

[Golden Fleece 30]

Hi David,

 

Sorry I was thinking you were talking of the Airfix Railbus lol.  Even so every item he has priced should have the decimal point moved at least one place to the left.  He must have a houseful of unsold items as they keep reappearing time after time although I don't look at his cars, Hornby etc.

 

When I was a lot, lot younger I used to think of owning an Anbrico coach or two (DMU especially) but it is only in the last 2 or 3 years I have actually seen any since the 60's and that was on Ebay and my impression is not the same as it was then.  To me they are not in the same league as Exley but I can appreciate some people will like them , after all we all have different tastes and it would not be good to be all the same.

 

 

Garry

Edited September 18, 2016 by Golden Fleece 30

[coachmann]

The SR Royal Mail looks to be hand lettered and is on Anbrico bogies. An Anbrico coach?  Tony Colbeck asked me to paint his final batch of coaches (I couldn't fit them in) so I it is likely they went out of production when he turned to whitemetal bus kit production. On the other hand it could be a repainted Exley or a Westdale ali body pressing with pressed ali trussrods. 

Edited September 18, 2016 by coachmann

[Golden Fleece 30]

It is not an Exley shell as theirs all had pressed ribs on the roof along with vents.  All the Anbrico coaches I have seen, about half a dozen or so, have all had plain roofs like this.  Also Exley's had a cut out on the roof where the "net" was positioned.  I agree it could be a Westdale but it seems to match the other Anbricos for style and lettering etc.

 

Garry

[Il Grifone]

Hi David,

 

Sorry I was thinking you were talking of the Airfix Railbus lol.  Even so every item he has priced should have the decimal point moved at least one place to the left.  He must have a houseful of unsold items as they keep reappearing time after time although I don't look at his cars, Hornby etc.

 

When I was a lot, lot younger I used to think of owning an Anbrico coach or two (DMU especially) but it is only in the last 2 or 3 years I have actually seen any since the 60's and that was on Ebay and my impression is not the same as it was then.  To me they are not in the same league as Exley but I can appreciate some people will like them , after all we all have different tastes and it would not be good to be all the same.

 

 

Garry

 

Hi Garry,

 

The only thing that railbus could possibly be used for is spares for an incomplete, but otherwise good one. The poor thing really is terminal.

 

David

Edited September 18, 2016 by Il Grifone

[Il Grifone]

I'm 99% sure the coach is Hambling's. It looks the same as example from the Lake District which has a box as provenance (though it could be non original) and the couplings are definitely Hambling's - not the sort of thing one fits to anything else! (The sharp point on the pin would probably make them an H & E issue today!)

Edited September 18, 2016 by Il Grifone

[5050]

This is my favourite listing -

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DINKY-TOYS-MODELS-No-358-USS-ENTERPRISE-VN-MIB-LOT-1-/302022213231

 

I don't think Captains Kirk and/or Piccard would reach escape velocity on it - although the price is sky-high.

[Golden Fleece 30]

That is another of our Lake District friends item issues.  A few times the wrong photo is used by him and I once told him about the interior of a dolls house as a TT loco.  He just said "I had not seen the advert" and just left it, price wise I would not have gone for it no matter what condition but had hoped to see it.  I don't know how he cannot have seen the advert as he puts the photos on not Ebay lol.

 

Garry

[Nearholmer]

I've observed that seller's pricing too, and worked on the assumption that, behind him, is a SWMBO who is forever telling him to reduce the space taken for his model/junk collection.

 

I firmly believe that he continuously advertises items from his collection at "never sell" prices, thereby allowing him to tell her that he is doing his level best to get rid of it all, while having no intent or desire ever to do so.

 

And, if anything ever does sell at the price advertised, he will be able to buy upwards of five replacements, each in better nick than the original, with the proceeds.

 

Its a strategy that I am holding in reserve myself, ready for deployment at a moments notice, in case my own SWMBO attempts to re-possess my hoarding cave for wider domestic purposes.

 

Kevin

[5050]

I've observed that seller's pricing too, and worked on the assumption that, behind him, is a SWMBO who is forever telling him to reduce the space taken for his model/junk collection.

 

I firmly believe that he continuously advertises items from his collection at "never sell" prices, thereby allowing him to tell her that he is doing his level best to get rid of it all, while having no intent or desire ever to do so.

 

And, if anything ever does sell at the price advertised, he will be able to buy upwards of five replacements, each in better nick than the original, with the proceeds.

 

Its a strategy that I am holding in reserve myself, ready for deployment at a moments notice, in case my own SWMBO attempts to re-possess my hoarding cave for wider domestic purposes.

 

Kevin

I'd never thought of that.....................!

 

Thanks for the tip

[Golden Fleece 30]

Me too lol

 

I should have thought of that a few years ago when getting divorced, you live and learn as they say.

 

Garry

Edited September 19, 2016 by Golden Fleece 30

[bertiedog]

Some of the reason these items are priced not to sell is if the seller has a long term business it is cheaper to hold on to an advert than place new listings. This normally applies to buy it now regular items that run out of stock, and the seller allows the page to run as it cost less than re starting. Maybe what he sells has justified some similar scheme to save listing fees.

[Il Grifone]

This is my favourite listing -

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DINKY-TOYS-MODELS-No-358-USS-ENTERPRISE-VN-MIB-LOT-1-/302022213231

 

I don't think Captains Kirk and/or Piccard would reach escape velocity on it - although the price is sky-high.

 

I've got one of those! (the traffic light).

 

As for the 'Enterprise' being "Hard to find", eBay came up with four others all at way below Cartmel's price!

 

(And of course from 1976 it's not a 'proper' Dinky Toy anyway.)

 

Doesn't the listing price depend on the selling price? (Maybe not any longer, it's along time since I sold anything on eBay.)

Edited September 19, 2016 by Il Grifone

[russell price]

were these ever sold or moved on? I have a couple of matching southern coaches , some GWR ones including an ocean mails van which looks identical to this one except its chocolate and cream. also there are two LNER Thompsons , all look similar to the one above with sprung gangways and those super couplings which get tangled in points too. I may be interested in them.