HST40 - GWR Power Car in Intercity Swallow Livery

[Banger Blue]

GWR HST Power Car 43185 has been repainted into original 1988 Intercity Swallow livery. It will make its first public appearance at an HST 40 event at the NRM (along with 43002).

[Ed-farms]

Any photos of it?

[Swindon 123]

Interesting that 43185 has been chosen as 43085 was the first one to be painted in "Intercity" livery back in March 1983, (albeit only for a couple of hours).

BBR4-107 by Paul James, on Flickr

 

Paul J.

[royaloak]

Wrong again.

[Metr0Land]

Any photos of it?

Due to be towed Laira-York this Friday so no doubt pics will be appearing soon

[royaloak]

Due to be towed Laira-York this Friday so no doubt pics will be appearing soon

Not towed, it is going up with 43002 back to back, I dont know which way round they are but 43002 has been running around on the Kernow end for a few weeks but would go round the Lipson curve going onto Laira depot which would put it on the London end on depot, so 43002 should be leading en route to York if it goes booked route straight out onto Laira jn.

 

Times here-

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R41173/2016/09/30/advanced

[D826]

 

The Intercity Exec livery stands the test of time well.

 

Matt W

[phil-b259]

 

GWR HST Power Car 43185 has been repainted into original 1988 Intercity Swallow livery. It will make its first public appearance at an HST 40 event at the NRM (along with 43002).

To be pedantic this is not 'InterCity Swallow' livery - the key identifier being the distinct lack of a Swallow!

 

InterCity 'Swallow' livery didn't appear until the early 90s and while based on the 1988 livery pictured it had a number of tweaks, most notably removing the yellow band on the sides of the power cars in favour of white and a radically different Italic typeface for the words InterCity (plus the Swallow motif of course)

[Banger Blue]

To be pedantic this is not 'InterCity Swallow' livery - the key identifier being the distinct lack of a Swallow!

InterCity 'Swallow' livery didn't appear until the early 90s and while based on the 1988 livery pictured it had a number of tweaks, most notably removing the yellow band on the sides of the power cars in favour of white and a radically different Italic typeface for the words InterCity (plus the Swallow motif of course)

Someone best tell GWR Communications then, anyway here is 43185 (complete with Swallow) & 43002 passing through Tamworth on 0E16 Laira - York NRM:

 

Thanks to Stuart for letting me use his photo

 

[Zomboid]

The swallow was an image made up of metal bars wasn't/isn't it?

Sectorisation was always my favourite BR era, and it's nice to see GWR getting into the spirit of celebrating the 40th anniversary of a short term fix.

[njee20]

To be pedantic this is not 'InterCity Swallow' livery - the key identifier being the distinct lack of a Swallow!

 

InterCity 'Swallow' livery didn't appear until the early 90s and while based on the 1988 livery pictured it had a number of tweaks, most notably removing the yellow band on the sides of the power cars in favour of white and a radically different Italic typeface for the words InterCity (plus the Swallow motif of course)

Plenty of photos online of IC Swallow from 1988 onwards too. Pedant fail.

 

The new power car looks great, still think Swallow is one of the best looking liveries, particularly on HSTs.

[HillsideDepot]

I'm reminded of  

 

Welcome to a city in the heart of the country,

Where the only jams are on the table,

And the views stretch from the north of Scotland to the south west of England,

Welcome to a city where business people work at the their leisure,

And families work at their pleasure,

 

Welcome to the city where you’re never far from the sea,

Or seldom far from a public telephone,

Welcome to a city where every year millions of visitors are greeted with a friendly punch,

By gentlemen who still wear hats.

 

Welcome, to INTERCITY.

 

From one of a number of tv adverts from the Swallow era. Classic livery, classic advertising - although we probably didn't realise it at the time.

[Karhedron]

The new power car looks great, still think Swallow is one of the best looking liveries, particularly on HSTs.

Agreed, definitely my favourite HST livery. I liked sectorisation liveries, much more bold and striking than the old blue/grey but not yet the overdone technicolour explosions of some of today's liveries.

[298]

GWR HST Power Car 43185 has been repainted into original 1988 Intercity Swallow livery.

I'm not being pedantic, but it looks like a mixture of painted cabs with vinyl stripes, and whole vinyl bodysides like 43002. And perhaps those who criticise RTR manufacturers for not getting things quite right every time might like to see how hard they are to get right.

[Wild Boar Fell]

Anyone else thinking that these two might just be donated to the NRM at some point?

[njee20]

I'm not being pedantic, but it looks like a mixture of painted cabs with vinyl stripes, and whole vinyl bodysides like 43002. And perhaps those who criticise RTR manufacturers for not getting things quite right every time might like to see how hard they are to get right.

That really is pedantic! Cap dothed.

 

The old lights looked better definitely. FGW should do a whole rake of mk3s in Swallow to match.

[phil-b259]

Plenty of photos online of IC Swallow from 1988 onwards too. Pedant fail.

 

 

Ahh I see. I was under the impression that GWR were replicating the livery seen in the post by Swindon 123 (see below) - which is quite clearly not the Swallow one.

 

Interesting that 43185 has been chosen as 43085 was the first one to be painted in "Intercity" livery back in March 1983, (albeit only for a couple of hours).

BBR4-107 by Paul James, on Flickr

 

Paul J.

[newbryford]

I'm not being pedantic, but it looks like a mixture of painted cabs with vinyl stripes, and whole vinyl bodysides like 43002.

 

The mis-match of stripes qualifies for a "professionally repainted" tag on eBay......................

 

Cheers,

Mick

[tamperman36]

One wonders if Hornby supplied paint and transfers as it appears that there is a difference in the red colour stripe on the nose and behind the door, as well as a difference in thickness of said stripe and the white stripe appears not to line up behind the cab door.

 

I am aware that these things could just be caused by the angle the photo was taken , and GWR should be thanked for giving us a chance to see these now historic liveries again.

 

Nice one GWR, now can we have 2 full sets to match ?

[Taigatrommel]

I'm very pleased to see 43185 in its new colours, but I can see why some elements jar for people.  Simply put, the bodyside stripes are too low.  The white should be over the door runner, but they have it starting below.  Yes, I'm being a pedant, but I still like it.

 

An example from the days of yore.

[GordonC]

The swallow was an image made up of metal bars wasn't/isn't it?

Sectorisation was always my favourite BR era, and it's nice to see GWR getting into the spirit of celebrating the 40th anniversary of a short term fix.

 

The swallow was a solid metal shape with stripes in 2 different colours that graduated in size from top to bottom. There was a couple on sale at a stall at the East Lancs last weekend

[298]

Anyone else thinking that these two might just be donated to the NRM at some point?

I'm not knocking celebrity repaints, but when one particular example of its type is considered to be saved from the torch, there are lots of particular merits to be considered such as which is in the best condition, it's historical relevance in terms of where it was in the build order or achievements, and then there's the livery- it's a juxtaposition between very very few preserved locos carrying authentic paint as applied at a railway workshop (which may include vinyls), Vs the fact that it's just a big sticker that's probably past its best and could be reprinted fairly easily from the original artwork files and applied to another loco.

 

He be surprised if the NRM preserved more than one celebrity vinyl 91 or HST, but something that might work is to cut the bodyside off and hang it on the wall....

[Wild Boar Fell]

I'm not knocking celebrity repaints, but when one particular example of its type is considered to be saved from the torch, there are lots of particular merits to be considered such as which is in the best condition, it's historical relevance in terms of where it was in the build order or achievements, and then there's the livery- it's a juxtaposition between very very few preserved locos carrying authentic paint as applied at a railway workshop (which may include vinyls), Vs the fact that it's just a big sticker that's probably past its best and could be reprinted fairly easily from the original artwork files and applied to another loco.

 

He be surprised if the NRM preserved more than one celebrity vinyl 91 or HST, but something that might work is to cut the bodyside off and hang it on the wall....

See your point certainly, which confuses me with 43185 being an 'ordinary' power car as far as I am aware, but 43002 being the first production power car? Surely is merit enough.

[royaloak]

I'm very pleased to see 43185 in its new colours, but I can see why some elements jar for people.  Simply put, the bodyside stripes are too low.  The white should be over the door runner, but they have it starting below.  Yes, I'm being a pedant, but I still like it.

 

An example from the days of yore.

If you look at the van end, on the picture you provided the white stripe goes around the door runnier, but on 43185 the stripe is below the runner, so I 100% agree the stripes on the side are too low.

[Steadfast]

See your point certainly, which confuses me with 43185 being an 'ordinary' power car as far as I am aware, but 43002 being the first production power car? Surely is merit enough.

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if 43185 was chosen due to it's name, 'Great Western' and GWR plaque

 

Jo