ANT Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hello Can any one tell me if there is a rtr model or a kit of the wagon on the below links Alumina Wagon Alumina Wagon I've already got the Lima Grain Flow wagons. Thanks SEEYA ANT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 The Procor PAB's do not have any RTR or kits produced however the chassis is similar to the Bachmann TTA but the wheelbase is 16' rather than the 15' foot of the tank. There is a published drawing in "Modelling the British Rail era" from Santona however it is based on the loading diagram and photographs rather than actual measurements! Both the 'Minibulks' and PAB's had modified loading hatches to suit the loader at North Blyth. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hello Can any one tell me if there is a rtr model or a kit of the wagon on the below links Alumina Wagon Alumina Wagon I've already got the Lima Grain Flow wagons. Thanks SEEYA ANT Hi, there was an article in the March 1993 issue of Railway Modeller on page 126 onwards showing you how to make the PAB wagons using the Hornby TTA tank model and butchering one of the Hornby grain wagon roof parts to form a new roof. Then by adding the end stanctions and small reinforcing webs on the sides of the tanks plus ladders etc. it made up into a pretty reasonable looking PAB. I did four of these and back then in 1995 it was one of my first modelling projects that I did coming back into the hobby. And I did I pretty reasonable job for my skills back then. I reckon that you could make a better looking wagon now by using the Bachmann TTA as the base model and graft on a Hornby grain wagon top as per the article and it would look much better than the old Hornby model. I haven't got any photos of my four but I can arrange to take some in the next day or so. Have you seen the photos on this site ? Huw Millington's wagon site shows the ex PAA Grain aka Whiskey Blues here http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/sets/72157603195747980/?page=3 and the PAB/PAA rounded rank designs here http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/sets/72157603195747980/?page=4 Note that there are two versions - the 50 x PABs (air-braked with thru vacuum pipes) and UIC double-link suspension with 14 plate laminated springs nos. PR 8000 - 8049 built by Standard Wagon in 1969/70 and followed by a second batch of 69 PAA wagons in 1973 with a similar body but this time with BSC pedestal suspension nos. PR 8050 - 8118. It is the first batch that were used on the Alumina traffic from Blyth to Fort William as shown in your photo links. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 23, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hello Can any one tell me if there is a rtr model or a kit of the wagon on the below links Alumina Wagon Alumina Wagon I've already got the Lima Grain Flow wagons. Thanks SEEYA ANT Hi Ant, Direct email coming to you re these.... Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hi Ant, Direct email coming to you re these.... Thanks Phil IIRC this isn't the first time this has been discussed here, just cant find the thread. Rgds Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 23, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2010 Phil IIRC this isn't the first time this has been discussed here, just cant find the thread. Rgds Mark Hi Mark, Correct - Somewhere in a previous incarnation of RMWeb - This thread exists! But - I know more and have more info and photos since then! Most of it is copyright - hence not posting it on here. Thanks ps There are drawings for the PAB wagons used on Alumina traffic in Scotland in "Modelling the British Rail Era" published by Santona Books Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Couple more photo's here if you're interested, they had come up in an earlier thread as well... http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c148784.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 There are drawings for the PAB wagons used on Alumina traffic in Scotland in "Modelling the British Rail Era" published by Santona Books Thats that ordered then!, was kinda running out of reading material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 23, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2010 Thats that ordered then!, was kinda running out of reading material. Hi Mark, Well worth the purchase! OK - Extract from my photo listing... West Highland Wagons PAA References http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2044083574/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2043286607/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035617906/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034820421/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035618458/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034820931/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034821213/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035619188/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034821673/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034821947/in/set-72157603195747980/ PAB References http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p36857830.html http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p36857826.html PAF References http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034815427/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034815695/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034816027/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2044076126/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034816621/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2044077580/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035614372/in/set-72157603195747980/ Grainflow References http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035613752/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034817071/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034817345/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2044078844/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035615116/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2034817787/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2043282251/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/hmillington/2035615716/in/set-72157603195747980/ http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p14592879.html http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p14592868.html http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p14592867.html http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p2060063.html PAA/PAB/PAV - Which? http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p2060056.html Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 2, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2010 HI all, Had to go into the loft due to the bad weather - so decided to look for some other stuff whilst up there! OK - Excerpt from notebook. September '86 Shows I was up for the week after the August Bank Holiday. Of specific interest (Ant) was a train seen on the Wednesday at Ardlui. Trani Consist 37/0 LL PRA PRA PAA PAA PBA PBA PBA PAA More as I read through and see what I can make sense of! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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