JWB Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I found this guy's work several years ago, but I don't believe it's been noticed on any forums, either in the US or elsewhere. http://www.peterfeigenbaum.com/gallery/model-rr/ http://www.vestaldesign.com/projects/modelrr/ There are some interesting projects to be spotted here, like turning an inexpensive Bachmann Cadillac into a burned-out car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcoRS1 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 very convincing, all he needs is some black Ford Taurus cop cars and robocob, to help clean the crime up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Excellent modelling, but so much dereliction is surely a bit depressing...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward! Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 This is my favourite picture- superbly evocative modelling. http://www.peterfeig...ronx%20El_S.jpg It would be a super-cool layout if the buildings lit up in the dark! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted April 18, 2010 Author Share Posted April 18, 2010 Excellent modelling, but so much dereliction is surely a bit depressing...? I guess dereliction has been a staple of US modeling since John Allen in the late 1940s. The way things have gone with mainstream modeling has been that, once everyone got off the imitate-John-Allen jag (a la John Olson/Malcolm Furlow), they got onto the imitate-George-Sellios jag, which Sellios facilitates with US$300 kits for his style of dereliction. There's more than one forum out there where guys go into enormous detail (10, 15 screens of posts worth) on how they slavishly follow the Sellios kit directions to produce models of improbable buildings in the last stages of deterioration. It's refreshing, at least as I see it, with the Feigenbaum stuff to see someone actually looking at the real world and using inexpensive-to-moderately priced building kits to reproduce it. If you take a train ride along the US Northeast Corridor, you do in fact see quite a bit of this stuff. It doesn't suit everyone. I'd love to do what he does and use cheapo Bachmann vehicles as the basis for burned out cars, but I don't really have a place on my layout where that would be credible! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 If you take a train ride along the US Northeast Corridor, you do in fact see quite a bit of this stuff. There was something I heard on the Radio recently, about large areas of Detroit being vacant & derelict as the car industry has declined so rapidly in recent times, so I take the point that these scenes are quite true-to-life, and yes, superbly observed and modelled; I'm just not sure I'd personally like a whole layout like that... As for Mr Sellios's F&SM layout, I did wonder if I might be the only one who thinks:- Superbly modelled? yes; loads of detail? yes; realistic...?? Erm... no, actually.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 There was something I heard on the Radio recently, about large areas of Detroit being vacant & derelict as the car industry has declined so rapidly in recent times, so I take the point that these scenes are quite true-to-life, and yes, superbly observed and modelled; I'm just not sure I'd personally like a whole layout like that... As for Mr Sellios's F&SM layout, I did wonder if I might be the only one who thinks:- Superbly modelled? yes; loads of detail? yes; realistic...?? Erm... no, actually.... If you use google streetview you can see that a lot of Detroit neighbourhoods have had the empty houses demolished and are grown over. Start with the station (Michigan Central Station, Detroit, MI) then move north. Those aren't large mansions surrounded by big gardens. OT I know, but I have to agree with you re the Franklin and South Manchester. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to work out why it doesn't appeal to me, and I think it's to do with the imbalance between vertical and horizontal, if you see what I mean. I didn't like the Gorre and Daphetid either (oops, sorry, just broke another icon, clumsy me). Top drawer modelling, but unconvincing to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Grotty buildings, empty/derelict sites, and overgrown vacant lots and cess are a fact of life along railway corridors in major cities. The presence of the railway means that the expensive rebuilding projects don't tend to happen (or only happen in limited areas), so the property values are low meaning there is little incentive to maintain them. You do get some interesting and modelable things - there are a couple areas on the GO line I used to ride where the locals whose homes back onto the railway corridor have gardens on the railway side of the fence (think unofficial allottments) - the railway seems to tolerate that. There are also a couple of places where the homeless have set up rudimentary campsites in the underbrush along the corridor. There are any number of disused sidings to the backs of industrial buildings, sometimes with long disused boxcars on them (the points were lifted long ago). Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Dear RMWeb Team, Inspiring work there, but how would it look at night? http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page87/index.html Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 What a terrible shame that it is never likely to be seen "in the flesh" in this country - by which I mean UK - although Scotland would be good! . John, is there a possibility that it may appear on Youtube? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 Funny you should ask, Jack. Also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Sorry, much confusion - I was refering to the Profs "Brooklyn - 3 am" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Dear Jack, Taking decent still shots of such a "dark" layout is hard enough, most camcorders struggle with the low-light conditions on "Brooklyn" more than still cameras do. That said, If/when the next opportunity arrives, I'll see what I can do... Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-59 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 As for Mr Sellios's F&SM layout, I did wonder if I might be the only one who thinks:- Superbly modelled? yes; loads of detail? yes; realistic...?? Erm... no, actually.... Couldn't agreed more. As to the appeal of decay. My brother who is a railroad enthusiasts but not a modeler, other hobby is photographing decaying buildings. So some people do like it, even if i don't understand why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Dear "Railroads in decline" VS "bright Sunny Day" modellers, ...Just another fine example of "There's room on this here train for everyone..." Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr PS I didn't set out to model "somewhere you don't want to visit" on "Brooklyn", (Although I have had some viewers shy away stating, "I don't want to get too close, some(thing/one) may jump out and..." ) What I started with was "...that strange yet atmospheric time in the early morning in NYC, when those who are awake are because they have to be, (RR and industrial workers), or they don't want to be (homeless, etc), and the street-switching freight trains come out to do their vital "first mile/last mile" part in the freight railroading chain, in the parts of town that very few people ever actually get to see..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I like industrial grime and urban shabbiness with dereliction a close second. However the Franklin and South Manchester doesn't do it for me either, again I can't quite pinpoint it. Its almost like a caricature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thnksno Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 but I don't really have a place on my layout where that would be credible! Ever heard the term "other side of the tracks?" Very easy to go from unicorns skating on rainbows to crackville in the blink of an inch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 ... the Franklin and South Manchester doesn't do it for me either, again I can't quite pinpoint it. Its almost like a caricature. Actually "caricature" sums it up quite well, I think! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Peters Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 You lot are all being teases Putting up links which are now giving me more idea's . Prof, Brooklyn is amazing as Jack said would love to see it over here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Dear Andrew, Unfortunately "Brooklyn" appears to have exhausted it's run of exhibition invites, and it's "local appeal" is significantly less than it's online influence might suggest YT clips are a possible option, limits of available camcorders optics VS low-light conditions permitting. That said, I've got some other small-layout missions on the boil, and would love to regain the space required to store "Brooklyn". (I live in an apartment, I have a 2' X 4' space for my workbench, and a 2' X 4' space to store any and all layouts I might happen to be working on at any given time...) SO, where the layout goes from here is anyone's guess... Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERROR02 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 here a view on the industrial side of my layout Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Paul, is that part of Ponca Yard? - very nice indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I love layouts where the soundtrack that fits is Miles Davis' "A Kind of Blue" - in fact I've driven around Manhattan (south of the Fashion district), Brooklyn, Jersey City and Bayonne in the rain, after midnight with that music playing just looking for that feel................ Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERROR02 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Shortliner, yes it is. here a view of the industrial area on the west side Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpachl Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I found this guy's work several years ago, but I don't believe it's been noticed on any forums, either in the US or elsewhere. In 2009, this layout was discussed in the MTI forum. There was also a thread in a German forum on layout design. This work is usually cited in discussions on the subject if a model railway layout could be a piece of art. Joern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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