matt-b Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Hello I'm looking to model a O gauge small layout which consists of a Cargowaggon with a imported timber load. I've seen a few pictures of this type of load on these wagons but wondered if anyone had anymore information on them, where did it come from? Go too? Etc. Was there any other interesting loads on the open version of cargowaggons? Any help would be appreciated Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I saw open bogie Cargowaggows at Warrington Dallam freight terminal carrying sawn timber planks that had arrived from Luxembourg. Other loads carried included steel girders/pipes etc and also large tree trunks for milling. Some were converted to carry round timber from Scotland for chipboard or paper manufacture. David Ratcliffes book is a great source of information on these wagons and traffics https://www.amazon.co.uk/International-Wagons-Colour-Modeller-Historian/dp/0711034044 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Matt - I've just had a quick look through my copy of David Ratcliffes book mentioned above and picked out a few extra bits of information on the traffics handled by open bogie Cargowaggons. The sawn timber loads from Luxembourg I used to see at Warrington Dallam were 'scaffold boards'. The 'round timber' cargowaggon conversions carried timber from Keith, Huntley, Inverness and Inverurie to Caberboard at Irvine. The 'tree trunk' export timber for milling into furniture was loaded at Longport and destined for Amiens. Steel tube, coiled rod and section traffic was both imported and exported from locations including Shelton, Scunthorpe, Skinningrove, Lackenby, Longport, Hartlepool, Cologne and Italy. Another traffic using these vehicles illustrated in Davids excellent book was fibre cement sheets to Carlisle from Italy. Edited September 3, 2018 by JohnH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I got this pic of a load of wood at Temple Mills. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I think it was the same type of vehicle that brought import traffic to Bridgwater, I thought it was concrete sheets for roofing. Here are some empties at Bridgwater https://www.flickr.com/photos/129566999@N08/23942451522/in/photolist-HZjpdS-CtHjGj-yHrCiu-Fw2nsT-21YZLxU cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I got this pic of a load of wood at Temple Mills. That looks like the 'scaffold board' loads that I used to see at Dallam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-b Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Thanks for that information, big help. Certainly gives me ideas about what and how to model the loads. Davids book looks a interesting read, I'll lookout for a copy of that. I'm guessing once speedlink/enterprise stopped then so did most of these movements? Matt Edited September 3, 2018 by matt-b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Alongside the demise of Enterprise services, both DB and SNCF cut back a lot of wagon-load workings. Amongst the loads I've observed on Cargowaggon flats have been steel slabs, rail, and one of the oddest, a pair of Tiphook container flats without bogies. These wagons are still in use today on a number of flows:- long-welded rail from Scunthorpe to Eastleigh and somewhere in Germany 60' lengths of rail from Ebange as brake-force wagons on deliveries of new passenger stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hump Shunter Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Here is one at Crawley New Yard in 1986, it looks heavy if the springs are anything to go by! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I was given to understand the scaffold board was from Austria - notice it is a finished product and not simply planks of wood. This one has Austrian sheets https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cargowaggonflat/e1f7c8f61 Other uses amongst these 68 https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cargowaggonflat Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I was given to understand the scaffold board was from Austria - notice it is a finished product and not simply planks of wood. This one has Austrian sheets https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cargowaggonflat/e1f7c8f61 Other uses amongst these 68 https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cargowaggonflat Paul The scaffolding board photographed at Dallam had originated in Luxembourg but other originating point were available. The OP might also find my short article 'Cargowaggon's versatile flats', which appeared in Rail Express February 2018, of interest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 There was a feature on these wagons a few issues ago in rail express mag Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-b Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 Thanks guys, I've just seen that version of the magazine on eBay which is handy. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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