GWR local workings in the Swansea area in the 1930s: carriage formations

[jamespetts]

Am I right in saying that some Jinties were autofitted for working LMS suburban trains in the area? Not relevant to High Street, but it is your layout: rule 1 and all that.

 

Actually, the idea is an imaginary version of Swansea in which High Street and Victoria were merged, so this is relevant to an extent. However, I do not think that push/pull fitted LMS carriages are easy to come by in model form.

[Fat Controller]

Am I right in saying that some Jinties were autofitted for working LMS suburban trains in the area? Not relevant to High Street, but it is your layout: rule 1 and all that.

There were a handful, used on services to Brynamman; they were shedded at Upper Bank. Not sure whether they worked the Llanmorlais branch as well.

[88D]

Actually, the idea is an imaginary version of Swansea in which High Street and Victoria were merged, so this is relevant to an extent. However, I do not think that push/pull fitted LMS carriages are easy to come by in model form.

You are right re rtr models, which is a shame. However, Comet do the three window end and a couple of easy possibilities exist: grab one of the old Grafar Suburban brakes from eNay or swap meet, and just replace the end. Not exactly finescale, but passable. The second possibility is to use a Ratio brake third and do the same. I am not an LMS man, so don’t know whether this latter resembles any prototype, but it looks as if there should have been one!

[jamespetts]

I do have pictures of the prototype: they were essentially the standard LMS period 1 non-corridor brake third with windows cut into the ends of the guard's compartment together with other associated gubbins.

[Pete Bevan]

The Pontypool Road to Swansea High Street would have ran from Neath Riverside > Neath Abbey curving left to the Swansea Avoiding Line off down a bank before Ynysforgan Viaduct > Morrriston Landore Low Level into Swansea High Street.

One terminus needs to be added, making five in all. The Vale of Neath  Railway terminated at Swansea East Dock, just  west of Swansea Eastern Depot. Trains from there ran to Danygraig Halt (High Level) Pritchards Chemical Works Halt. Jersey Marine  Road, Neath Abbey, Neath Riverside, Tonna or named Aberdulias Halt, Resoven, Glyn Neath, up the bank to Hirwaun. passenger traffic ran into and out of East Dock  circa 1936. The R&SB stopped at Jersey Marine, a lower level than Jersey Marine Road VofNR. There was yet another Level higher and parallel than this. The VofNR did not go right across Cwrt Sart Bridge but straight on. In this vicinity was the junction with The Swansea Avoiding Line to and from all point west or down the bank to Mooriston.  

[Pete Bevan]

This should have been posted to Correspondence Re Swansea High Street to Pontypool Road.

[Pete Bevan]

OOppss Right in the first place

[Pete Bevan]

Danygraig Halt was  very short. It suited the Steam Rail-motor than ran to East Dock. It was a good mile and a half walk to Jersey Marine Beach A very dangerous place to be out on whatever the state of the tide.

 

[Pete Bevan]

Sorry that to have to amend == it was a good mile and a half walk from Jersey Marine Road to Jersey Marine Beach. Swansea High Street. From sidings east of the main line there was a line to coal tips at the North Dock. This line also connected to the Swansea & Mumbles Railway when coal trains were worked from Clyne Valley. The line was at road level until it passed the from of the Royal Institute of South Wales, and at what was from there on, street level, to the Strand Quay of the North Dock and up to the GWR. Lines around The North, South and East Dock belonged to  Swansea Harbour Trust. The latter to the former ran over The New Cut Bridge. It would be an interesting study to fine out if, at its beginning, Swansea Victoria was a LNWR terminus. The branch Gowerton to Llanmorlais, when coal was worked from there, was a LNWR Branch. In circa1934 the black covering on the horse-drawn parcels wagons had white letters LNWR/LMS painted on them.   

[jamespetts]

Interesting, thank you for this.